Logic 10.1 ist raus

Logic 10.1 ist gerade raus.

Und ich werde das Gefühl nicht los, dass da vielleicht ein Mitarbeiter was durchsickern lassen hat, oder einer als Spion unterwegs war…
:unamused:
Und dann kommt das auch noch gleich ein paar Wochen gleich nach dem Release von C8 raus -
zur NAMM 01/2015, wohlgemerkt. Dort war Apple viele Jahre nicht vetreten.

… auf einmal auch VCA-Fader? einen Drum Editor? ein Plugin Manager? die neue Mixer-Pre-Ansicht …?
sehr sehr merkwürdig, das.
Man kupfert wohl gern bei Cubase ab, z.B. Midi-Plugins oder Flex Audio, davor hatte Steinberg sein VariAudio integriert…
u.a. :confused:


_Logic 10.1 ist draussen mit vielen neuen Features (und zudem kostenlos)

  • 10 neue Drummer
  • neuer Kompressor
  • Drum Machine Designer
  • neue Synth Patches + Mellotron Sounds
  • Neue Ansichtsoptionen im Pianorolleneditor erlauben es, auch bei beschränktem Platz mehr Noten anzuzeigen und Schlagzeug-Sounds nach Namen zu finden.
  • Das Timing ausgewählter Noten kann mit den neuen Aktivpunkten im Pianorolleneditor ganz einfach verlangsamt oder beschleunigt werden.
  • Mit den Modi ‘Notenwiederholung’ und ‘Punktuelles Löschen’ (Spot Erase) können Sie klassische Drum-Machine-Stile verwenden, um Beats in Echtzeit zu erstellen.
  • Intelligentes Quantisieren korrigiert Timing und Länge von Noten proportional, um die musikalischen Eigenschaften Ihrer Original-Performance beizubehalten.
  • Retro Synth kann jetzt Wavetables aus importiertem Audiomaterial erstellen und bis zu 8 Stimmen übereinanderlegen.
  • Die Automation kann jetzt Teil einer Region (nicht nur der Spur) sein, wodurch es noch einfacher ist, Effekte kreativ einzusetzen.
  • Das Verwalten umfangreicher Mixe wird durch Hinzufügen von VCA-Reglern im Konsolenstil noch einfacher.
  • Die Automationsmodi ‘Relativ’ und ‘Trimmen’ erweitern die Optionen zur Feineinstellung vorhandener Automationen.
  • Der Mixer ermöglicht jetzt die Steuerung der Einstellungen von Mikrofon- und anderen Eingängen für kompatible Audio-Interfaces per Fernzugriff.
  • Das Rendern von Überblendungen in Echtzeit ermöglicht es, dass diese mit Flex Pitch arbeiten und beschleunigt das Laden von Projekten.
  • Der Plug-in Manager erlaubt jetzt das Anpassen eigener Menüanordnungen.
  • Die Unterstützung für Mail Drop und AirDrop in OS X Yosemite macht es noch einfacher, Logic-Projekte für andere bereitzustellen_

Aha…

Wier findet ihr diese Mixer-Ansicht hier? (man beachte, wie das grafisch gelöst wurde im Pre Bereich…)

Fühl mich gerade etwas, nun ja, unwohl. In der Tat.

C.

hahaha, wieso die Aufregung? Ist doch schon wieder veraltet. :wink:
Aber gut das ich vor 3 Wochen mal hier im Forum fragte wieso hier einige meinen das Logic Tot sei.

Fand ich schon lustig irgendwie und da kam schon dieses Gerücht auf…na ja, jetzt ist es da und dazu noch mit voller Kraft voraus. :smiley:

Gibt aber in meinen Augen etwas viel, viel besseres über das man mal ein paar Worte loswerden könnte.

Die Inovation des Jahres, wenn nicht sogar des Jahrzehnts kommt von Microsoft. Apple heult schon ohne ende…

Die Holobrille:

Das ist der Wahnsinn, und wenn man sich jetzt mal vorstellt was damit möglich werden könnte. :smiley:

Ein Rack in der Wand gefälligst? Oder was auch immer…fange gerade erst an zu träumen.

oh, das war ja noch nicht alles…
New Features

10 new Drummers that produce beats in a variety of electronic and hip hop styles including Techno, House, Trap, Dubstep and more
Drummer provides specialized sound and performance controls for dialing in electronic or hip hop drum grooves
New Drum Machine Designer plug-in for customizing electronic drum kits
Redesigned Compressor plug-in features scalable, Retina-ready interface and 7 models including the new Classic VCA
Retro Synth can now create wavetables from imported audio and is able to stack up to 8 voices
Note Repeat and Spot Erase modes allow classic drum machine style techniques for creating beats in realtime
Automation can now be part of a region, not just the track
Relative and Trim Automation modes extend the options for fine-tuning existing automation
Manage large-scale mixes more easily with the addition of console-style VCA faders in the mixer
Mixer now allows remote control of microphone and other input settings for compatible audio interfaces
Realtime rendering of fades allow them to work with Flex Pitch and speeds up project load times
The Plug-in Manager now allows you to customize the organization of your menu
Support for Mail Drop and AirDrop in OS X Yosemite makes it even easier to share your Logic projects
Expanded sound library includes over 200 new synth patches and 10 Mellotron instruments
The Piano Roll editor now features a Brush tool for creating or deleting a sequence of notes with single mouse gestures
Smart Quantize proportionally corrects the timing and length of notes to preserve the musicality of your original performance
Track Stacks can now be disclosed/undisclosed directly in the Mixer independently of the Tracks area
New Collapse view option in the Piano Roll Editor lets you see more notes in less vertical space
It’s now possible to create more than one Drummer track per song
It’s now possible to copy and paste voices between different instances of Ultrabeat
There’s a new option in the Drummer Editor action menu that allows you to change the drummer without also changing the drum kit
Alternatives can now be exported as fully independent projects
There’s now a button in the Main window to automatically set the vertical zoom to the optimal resolution to maximize track height while keeping all tracks visible
A new Region parameter allows the playback speed of Apple Loops to be altered from ? to 8x the original speed
Command-clicking an enabled mute or solo button un-mutes or un-solos all channels if no track is muted or soloed, and command-clicking a mute or solo button mutes or solos all tracks
There’s now a Kill/Recall Solo button in the track header area that toggles the solo state of all currently soloed tracks
The Reset Channel Strip command now works for multiple selected channel strips in the Mixer
Logic now supports the Bravura score font
There’s a new key command for enabling/disabling the Flex or Follow Tempo Region parameter
Logic can now import multichannel interleaved audio files and convert them to individual mono files
When bouncing a project, the default name for the bounced file is now the project name
The Piano Roll now includes an option to display drum names instead of note names when working with Drummer tracks, EXS drum kits or Ultrabeat tracks
Time Handles in the Piano Roll allow time stretching/compression on selected notes
It’s now possible to adjust the position and borders of regions in the Piano Roll time line
Undo is now available in the Notepad
Undo is now available for Score Set edits
A single click now inserts an EQ into the EQ slot of a channel strip
Logic now supports 50, 5994d, 5994, 60 d and 60 fps frame rates
There’s now a Track Protect button for the Movie track
The Repeat Regions/Events key command now duplicates the currently selected region or event without opening a dialog window (the previous behavior for this command is accessed with the new key command Repeat Regions/Events Multiple Times)
Smart Controls mapped to plug-in parameters are now dimmed when the plug-in is bypassed
User created Groove Templates are now available from the Time Quantize menu in the Piano Roll
When dragging objects, the Tooltip now shows both the bar/beat and time position
The Beat Mapping track now offers a Protect Flex Markers option in the Beat Mapping drop-down menu
The Copy command now copies selected markers in the Marker List window as text
When multiple closed Track Stack regions are glued together, Logic now maintains the individual tracks within the stack
The Convert to New Sampler Track sheet includes a new option for creating ‘1 Shot’ Zones
Auto backups of Logic projects are now directly accessible from the Quick Looks view
It’s now possible to specify up to 100 automatic backups per alternative in a project
Dragging a movie in the Movie Track now moves in increments of one frame and the Option key can be used to position it in smaller increments
When Logic extracts audio from a movie file, it now creates a time-stamped Broadcast Wave file
When a movie is added that is longer than the current project, the project is now automatically lengthened to accommodate it
A region with movie audio sync can now be defined for a movie file
When exporting audio to a movie, Logic now uses the project sample rate
When exporting audio to a movie, the length of the selected regions now determines the overall length of the newly created movie
The contents of the Bounces folder is now excluded when Cleanup Project is used on a folder project
The Clean Up Project dialog now shows the dates previous operations were performed

Stability

Logic Pro X 10.1 includes improvements to stability including, but not limited to fixes for:
Quitting unexpectedly when analyzing 192 kHz audio files for flex editing
Quitting unexpectedly when the Mix > Create Automation > Fade-Out command is used
Quitting unexpectedly when adjusting the start time of a region by samples in the Event List
Quitting unexpectedly when editing MIDI events in a song created in Mobile GarageBand
Quitting unexpectedly when importing a MIDI file that contains no note events
Quitting unexpectedly when adding a Text object to the Environment
Quitting unexpectedly after performing multiple velocity edits in the EXS24 Instrument Editor

Performance

Transient detection for Beat mapping is performed faster in cases where the audio file has been divided into multiple smaller regions
Responsiveness when rubber-band selecting a large number of regions is improved
Improves the performance of the realtime waveform while recording audio
The movie now responds more accurately when scrubbing by frames with the Playhead
Logic no longer shows a spinning wait cursor for several seconds when recording is started on certain computers
Logic now uses less CPU when idle on Macs running on battery power

Main Window

When an Apple Loop is added to a new track, the channel strip volume is now set to match the pre-listen volume in the Loop Browser
There is now an option that allows the looped portion of looped regions to have a darker shade than the parent region
The cycle locators in the LCD now reliably show the cycle state in projects originally created by earlier versions of Logic
The “Slice at Transient Markers” command now works on regions up to 256 bars in length
Tracks set to follow a Drummer track that is enabled as the Groove track now update as expected when changing the Swing parameter in the Drummer editor
Dragging the Zoom tool over the lower half of a track no longer sets the visible area to include the track below
Global edit operations, such as the “Insert Silence between Locators” command, now are applied to hidden tracks
Long regions with fades applied now resume playback as expected when overlapped by a shorter region
Logic now automatically applies crossfades when cycling to reduce clicks in audio regions at cycle start and end points
The Patch Library can now be used to browse and assign patches to the right-hand channel strip in the Tracks area Inspector when it’s selected
Replace mode recording onto a Take Lane of a group track that is clutched no longer removes that track from the group (this allows group comping to work as expected once the group is reactivated)
Dragging the right edge of a region to the right in songs that start before 1111 no longer results in unexpected jumps in the region border
The Zoom to Fit Selection command now includes the looped portions of looped regions
Logic no longer fails to record when the SMPTE start time is 00:00:00:0000 and there is a Record pre-roll
Creating a MIDI track with a device configured in Audio MIDI Setup now behaves as expected
Option-clicking on Inspector parameters such as Transpose or Velocity again resets them to default values
Changes made to fade values in the Region Inspector by scrolling are now updated immediately during scrolling
Performing Undo after creating a Track Stack no longer removes plug-in settings from the tracks used in the Track Stack
When a Take Folder is disclosed, other non-disclosed Take Folders no longer show empty outlines in the Take Lanes
Logic again presents a dialog asking if a time signature change should be added after using the Cut Section between Locators command for a section whose borders do not both fall on the start of a bar
Bounce Track in Place now includes all regions on a MIDI track that contains MIDI takes
Using the Split by Playhead command no longer causes a looped region earlier in the same track to unexpectedly extend to the beginning of the split region
Deleting a Track Stack summing Aux no longer deletes tracks that had originally been part of the stack, but were subsequently moved out of it
Adjusting the anchor position on an audio region no longer causes the length to change slightly
Enabling automation view no longer causes an auto-zoomed track’s vertical zoom to increase
Clicking Learn to learn controller assignments in the Toolbar no longer causes all buttons in the Toolbar to dim
The overview on a closed Track Stack is now shown correctly in projects whose start time isn’t 1 1 1 1
Reorganizing the order of tracks within a Summing Track Stack no longer causes some the tracks to route to the wrong bus or output
When recording MIDI, Logic now captures notes played up to 1 bar before the first downbeat
Logic no longer shows a File Not Found error when renaming an audio file that’s stored outside the project folder in the Project Audio window
When the locators are set to start at 1 1 1 1, the Insert Silence at Locators command no longer adds an unneeded 4/4 time signature and changes the LCD display to -9 1 1 1
The “Split by Playhead” command no longer moves SMPTE locked regions when performed at high zoom levels
Maximizing a floating Transport no longer causes it to stretch to the full width of the screen
Creating a new Software Instrument track no longer causes Logic’s global tuning to reset to A440 if it’s been changed
Catch Playhead Position is again properly disabled when a Marquee selection is made
Command-clicking the lower half of the timeline again toggles Auto Punch
It’s again possible to delete the right portion of a region divided by using Marquee selection
Logic’s real time waveforms are now accurately positioned when audio recording is started after playback has begun
Logic now reliably uses the selected instrument when using the Drum Replacement feature
Audio added to the Project Audio window is now reliably shown in its correct position, as determined by the sort method selected in the window
Record enabling a track no longer opens the Bounce window if an Output track is selected
Regions created by performing Strip Silence now retain any Region Gain setting applied to the original region
The “Project Cleanup” command now preserves assets used by other projects in the same project folder
Smart Snap now works correctly with /8 based signatures and at high zoom levels
Settings for the Metronome are now saved as expected in Templates
Join Regions per Tracks again works properly when some of the regions in the selection do not require merging
Selection of regions via Shift-click and Command-click now works reliably in projects that contain track stacks
Custom graphs and ranges set up for Smart Controls are now retained when the Smart Control is copied
When an Alternative is created after a project has been edited, Logic now shows a dialog offering to save the current Alternative
When Catch mode is enabled in the Marker List, double-clicking a marker now properly opens that marker instead of the one currently under the Playhead
Changing a project’s frame rate no longer causes SMPTE-locked regions to change positions
When a project is saved with a movie open in full screen mode on a second display, the movie now displays in full screen mode when the project is opened
Prelisten of audio files in the All Files browser now continues when using the arrow keys to navigate between files
Clicking on the Piano Roll tab in the Main window now properly sets the focus to the Piano Roll editor
A single audio track packed into a folder and then moved to to a different audio track, now plays on the new audio track as expected
Logic Control control surfaces are more reliably detected at launch
Logic now reliably retains audio recordings that are part of a project but not currently used in a take when the project is saved for the first time
The “Join with Select Regions” recording option now works as expected when dropping into recording while playing

Editors

The Option key can now be used with the Scissors tool to divide a long note into a set of equal length shorter notes
The Event list now immediately updates to show notes copied into the Score or Piano Roll editors
Edits to notes performed in the Event List are now immediately reflected in the Piano Roll
Deleting an event definition in the Step Editor now selects the next event definition
It’s now possible to select a group of events in the Step Editor by Shift-dragging over them with the pointer
The Finger tool can now be used to move events in the Step Editor
When a region is moved in the Tracks area, its position in the Step Editor bar ruler is now immediately updated
The MIDI In and MIDI Out buttons in the Event List and Piano Roll now synchronize between the two editors as expected
The timeline in the Step Editor now updates immediately when the Division format is changed in the LCD
Right-clicking in the MIDI Draw area of the Piano Roll no longer causes selected regions to be de-selected
MIDI Draw in the Piano Roll now reliably shows labels for all MIDI controller types
The Paste command is again available in the Piano Roll contextual menu
When multiple regions are selected, double-clicking a note in the Piano Roll again restricts the view to only the region containing the note, and a double-click on the Piano Roll background restores the previous view
When Step Input is active for an editor, key presses on the computer keyboard no longer lead to unexpected note entry when the Musical Typing Keyboard isn’t open
Pressing Control-Shift while dragging notes in the Piano Roll now allows movement in increments of single ticks
Simultaneously editing values on multiple selected Staff Styles now reliably maintains the relative values
Edits are now performed at the correct Playhead position when the “Split by Playhead” command is used in the Piano Roll on a region whose left border has been changed
The position of cuts for regions divided with the Scissors tool at high zoom levels is now consistently accurate
Undo now works as expected after editing time and key signatures
A Piano Roll with Link mode turned off no longer loses focus when a region at a different position is selected
Sharp notes now properly retain their pitch when pressing Enter to confirm an edit in the Event List
Notes on the Piano Roll now continue to display if the Global Track header or an item in a Global Track is selected
Pasting events whose type is filtered in the Event List now works correctly
Double-clicking a note in the Event List editor no longer causes the pitch to change

Automation

Changing the automation mode for a group of Aux channels selected in the Track Mixer now works reliably when some of them are assigned to tracks in the Tracks Area
Changes made simultaneously to the automation display of multiple tracks are now immediately visible in the Tracks area
A tooltip showing position information is again shown when moving an automation or a MIDI Draw point in the Tracks area
In Write mode, automation is no longer written for MIDI plug-ins when plug-in automation is disabled in automation preferences
A long click on a horizontal MIDI Draw automation line no longer unexpectedly changes it to a vertical line
When a region is copied at the same position from one track to another using the same channel strip, Logic no longer asks whether automation should be copied
When adjusting velocity in MIDI Draw, the velocity now displays as expected in the Tooltip
Engaging the mute switch on one automation lane no longer mutes automation on other lanes
Undo now works correctly when used after opening Automation lanes
It’s now possible to use the up and down arrow keys to navigate the track list when Automation lanes are disclosed on some tracks
Setting an automation mode for an Aux in the main window Channel Strip Inspector now creates a track for the Aux in the Tracks area
A single click in MIDI Draw no longer creates multiple automation points
It’s no longer possible to place two automation points for the same parameter in a track on the same clock tick
When automation is enabled for the first time in a project, the power buttons for track automation now default to On for each track

Flex

Flex pitch now works in areas of audio regions where fades have been applied
When the flex mode is changed on a track, flex is no longer enabled on regions where flex had been disabled
When the delete key is used to remove a flex marker in one track of an editing group, the corresponding flex markers in other tracks in the group are now reliably deleted as well
Edits applied to split stereo audio files no longer remove or corrupt existing flex edits on those files
Resetting manual flex pitch edits no longer causes all flex pitch values to disappear in the Tracks window
Double-clicking a flex pitched note in the Tracks area now resets its pitch as expected
When a flex pitch edit is applied to a note in a Take, the pitch values displayed for other notes in the Take are no longer incorrectly displayed as having the same value
The Create MIDI Track from Flex Pitch Data command now works reliably on the first try
Undo after gluing two flex pitched notes together now works as expected
Flex pitched notes now continue to display reliably after the region containing them is divided
Key signature changes no longer cause unexpected transposition of flex pitched audio tracks

Fades

Edits applied to fades are now audible during playback
Flex edits applied to regions with fades are now audible during playback
When switching Project Alternatives, Logic no longer plays fades incorrectly
It’s now possible to change the Fade type in the Region Inspector when multiple regions with fades of different lengths are selected

Drummer

The Follow option in the Drummer editor now works as expected when the track followed contains take regions
Extending a looped Drummer region to the right over another region no longer removes the beginning of the second region – instead, the loop ends at the start of the new region
Transform is now available on Drummer regions converted to MIDI on the Drummer track
New Drummer channel strips set to Surround no longer default to “No Output”
It’s again possible to open a Drummer track that has been converted to audio with the “Bounce > And Replace all Tracks” command in the Audio Editor

Global Tracks

Highlighted text fields in Global Tracks pop-up windows now maintain proper alignment when the window is resized
Beat Mapping using “Tolerate missing or additional events” now works with time signatures of 3/4, 5/4, and 6/4 as well as 4/4
Deleting beat markers on the Beat Mapping track now reliably deletes the corresponding tempo events
The Eraser tool now works reliably when deleting beat markers in the Beat Mapping track
The beat mapping track now always shows a handle at the beginning and end of a region, whether or not there is a detected transient at those positions
Markers are now displayed in the timeline when the Global Marker track is not visible
When the starting time code for a project has been changed from the default, copying an Arrangement Marker no longer resets the project’s starting timecode to 00:00:00:0000
If the Marker track is hidden, renaming an Arrangement marker no longer causes it to be shown
The Marker Track now maintains its set height when a screen set is recalled
Tooltips are again displayed when moving or copying Markers and Arrangement Markers
It’s now possible to show/hide individual global tracks after adding a movie to a project
Switching from one Tempo Set to another while pressing Option now copies the first Tempo Set

Import

When importing tracks from another project, the import sheet now shows individual tracks within Track Stacks by default
Importing an XML file with a different frame rate into Logic Pro no longer causes an unexpected SMPTE offset
Lyrics with non-standard ASCII characters in MIDI files now import correctly
When importing long MP3 files, Logic no longer creates AIFF files that are larger than necessary
It is again possible to drag and drop a movie from the Finder to the Movie track

Export/Sharing

Logic now remembers the last settings used to export audio to a movie
Improves reliability when exporting Music XML for songs with a large number of tracks
Regions that start after 1 1 1 1 are now handled properly when exported to Music XML
Logic now retains chapter markers from imported movies after audio has been exported to the movie
It’s again possible to share to iTunes directly from the Bounce window
Logic now creates properly configured key signatures in exported MIDI files
Settings made in the Bounce window are now retained the next time Bounce is used

Score

Duration bars are now available for independent notes in the Score window
Step Input now creates whole notes of the correct length
Tied notes shorter than a dotted 32nd tied to a tuplet can again be displayed
The staff shown in the Staff Styles window now reflects the key signature that results from changes to the Transpose setting
Independent notes are now displayed correctly on drum tracks
In the Score it is no longer possible to create a beat grouping whose sum exceeds the total number of beats in the time signature
The cursor for the alternate (Command key) tool in the Score now reliably shows the tool when the Command key is pressed
If Interpretation is enabled and a note of shorter duration than the current display quantize setting is dragged to the staff, interpretation is automatically defeated for the dragged note, so that it displays as intended
The Undo Quantization key command and menu item again works in the Score
Adding a new Drum Group assignment again works as expected in the Score window
The Staff Style editor now immediately updates to show newly added staves
Undo now works as expected after editing brackets and lines in the Staff Style window
The Fix Displayed Note Positions & Durations command no longer causes notes to shift position
It is now possible to use Command or Shift to select multiple markings in the Chord Grid Editor
Clicking in the background of the Score with the Zoom tool after zooming now reliably returns to the previous zoom setting
The Camera tool in the Score now properly captures lines and ties
The Sonata score font now works as expected with Logic Pro X on OS X Yosemite
The edit handles for slurs and crescendos are now easier to click
Double-clicking a chord extension now opens the Chord Symbol dialog

Key Commands

When editing key commands, Logic now correctly warns for all conflicts with an entered key command
The Hide Selected Track key command now affects all selected tracks
The various windows key command “Mute Notes/Regions/Folders” now works in the Step Editor
The key commands to move and adjust Marquee selections now behave correctly when used on Take regions
The key command to toggle the Loop Browser now works correctly when the bottom portion of the Loop Browser has focus
Unused audio files are now properly highlighted when the Select Unused key command is used
The key commands for Set Quantize Parameter to Next/Previous Value now work as expected in the Piano Roll editor
The key commands for FWD by Transient and RWD by Transient are now assigned by default to Control + and Control - respectively
There’s now a key command to toggle the Musical Grid between bars and beats, and SMPTE time

Plug-Ins

Notes in high octaves now loop reliably in all EXS instruments
When in MIDI Mono Mode, EXS24 now responds to channel pressure independently per MIDI channel
The Recall Default plug-in setting now works with the Delay Designer plug-in
It’s now possible to dynamically hide or show parameters in the Scripter plug-in
The Arpeggiator plug-in’s Pattern name now instantly updates when changes are made to the selected pattern name, or a pattern is loaded or deleted
The Power button in a MIDI plug-in window can now be mapped to a Smart Control
Audio Unit MIDI plug-ins now play back at the correct tempo when the project sample rate is set to something other than 441 kHz
Scrolling numerical values with the mouse in the Channel EQ again works as expected
Ultrabeat and EXS24 now remain in sync when the project tempo is changed during playback
When Logic’s playhead is moved while playback is stopped, the playhead in an inserted Melodyne plug-in now updates to show the correct position
The Gain plug-in no longer introduces clicks when switching between mono and stereo, or swapping L and R
The text showing the db value for the Output Gain slider on Amp Designer displays as expected
In the Pitch Shifter plug-in, changing the Stereo Link from Inverse to Normal no longer causes some of the unprocessed signal to sound when the Mix setting is 100%
The Ensemble plug-in now outputs audio to the left channel in single voice mode
Removing a multi-output Software Instrument track now also removes its associated Aux channels from the Mixer
The text for the Show/Hide all Plug-in Windows menu now correctly matches the current state of the plug-in windows
Custom I/O labels now show up correctly with the External Instrument and I/O plug-ins

Synchronization

Logic now properly distinguishes between and supports 24 fps and 23976 fps time code

Accessibility

Voiceover now works when the Tab key is used to jump to the Smart Controls Editor
Plug-in slots on channel strips are now accessible with VoiceOver
Edits to region names, looping and region borders are again possible using VoiceOver


Alter Schwede!!! :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
Das hätte eher eine Logic 11 sein können.
Unglaublich. Bin geschockt. Wünschte Ähnliches hier für uns.

C.

Du hast vergessen zu erwähnen, dass das Update natürlich kostenlos ist, bzw. wer sich das jetzt Neu kauft 20 Euro mehr bezahlt als vorher. :smiley:

Werter Herr HBB, sagen Sie, haben Sie noch keine Glasshole-Brille?
:laughing: :wink:
Erstes Kapitel, weit oben:

:mrgreen:

Egal. Ich hab dafür keine 20,- Mark übrig.
Für Apples 5000,- Euro (!) MacPro sowieso nicht. (nur das käme vergleichsweise leistungsmässig für mich in Frage)

Ein User schreibt:
It is time to leave all apple native applications and look for something else (maybe change for windows platform). I really hate the way apple forces customers upgrading operating system every year and changing something fast and stable for something slow and buggy. My 10.8.x is 2 years old and 10.8.5 is by far the best tuned OSX today. Apple makes this OS uncompatible with the last versions of all major apple applications. Apple Logic X 10.1 is only compatible with the operating systems not older than 13 months…. really great support apple…
urgs…
:imp:

Kann ich verstehen. Schluck…was für eine Feature-Liste. Quasi: “Nimm dies, Schurke!”.

In der tat sehr schlank und übersichtlich gelöst, nicht so ein unübersichtliches Gefummel. Und 48db Flankensteilheit ist auch drin.

Ihr habt echt Probleme…“oh schau mal, wir haben uns gestern einen VW Touareg gekauft und die Nachbarn haben sich heute einen Porsche Cayenne gekauft…”

Meiner Meinung nach sollte Steinberg mal nach Logic schaun, und z.b auch die One Window Bedienung implementieren…ihr wollt es doch einfach und schnell :slight_smile:

_Segnior Central, dat han ich jetz nit je sen. Ne Bassdrum brauch ich nicht für meine Mucke… :laughing:
_

_Na noch ham wir Euro, oder hab ich da jetzt was verpasst?

Du gibst dich mit dem 5000 Euro Mac zufrieden? Buuuuuuh… :smiley:
_

Na siehste und ich hab mein Auto verkauft…

Und wenn Cubase dieses Einfensterdingens jemals haben sollte, dann steig ich aus. :wink:

Und wie einfach dort die VCA-Fader zu handhaben sind. Besonders beim Entfernen… Einfach unglaublich ! :smiley:

“Es gibt viel zu lernen, schauen wir es uns ab”

Da holt nochmal einer aus :smiley:

Ich habe mir vor kurzem das Logic gekauft…bei dem Preis konnte ich nicht nein sagen zumal man ja im Studio doch schon so gut es geht mit allen Kunden kompatibel sein muss. Bin seite Jahren so wie du auch Cubase User - umso interessanter was für mich nach langer Zeit mal der Vergleich.

  1. Erstens muss den Amis echt eingstehen das sie sich mit Design und Geschmack sehr gut auskennen. Als ich das neue Logic startete dachte ich mir “Umfassbar wie genail die Farbumgebung ist”.

  2. Gebe ich dir vollkommen recht das ich sehr viele Funkionen fand die man auch schon in Cubase lange kannte. Aber genauso könnte man auch sagen das wir sehr viele Jahre auf eine Funktion namens “Bounce in Place” gewartet hatten. Alle gucken sich gegenseitig was ab…auch Pro Tools ist davon nicht ausgenommen. Es gibt auch viele Funktionen in Cubase die von Pro Tools aufgeschnappt wurden. Ist ja auch nicht schlimm…das jeweilige bessere Konzept soll siegen. Ich erwähne nur die Aux Busse die vorher bei einer ganz alten Cubase Version als VST FX Racks realisiert wurden und bei Logic schon als reguläre Aux Busse angelegt wurden. Später kam dieses System auch bei Cubase rein. Avid die Jahrelang sagten das 32 Bit schwachsinn wären haben die 32 Bit Option so gefeiert als wenn sie es als erstes erfunden hätten. Ich weiß gar nicht wieviele Jahre ich nun schon mit 32 Bit arbeite:-) Alles gut…sollen sich alles gute gegenseitig abkupfern. Kann dem User nur recht sein…

  3. Was mir aber bei Logic im Gegensatz zu Cubase aufgefallen ist die schlanke Anordnung der Funktionen. Man kann wirklich ultra schnell damit arbeiten. Ich habe mich einen Tag hingesetzt und einen Mix damit gefahren und musste echt zugeben das man durch das schlanke Design sehr schnell zum ziel kommt. Auch fand ich es klasse die Inserts nicht unbedingt wie nur “Inserts behandelt wurden” sondern man seinen eigenen Channel so baut wie man ihn möchte. Bei Cubase mit seinen 6 Pre 2 Post Inserts ist dies schwer realisierbar …vor allem wenn es um aufwendige Channel Setups geht. Nun kontert man bei Steinberg so das sie sagen das man ja auch noch die intergrierten Effekte usw. einschalten könnte. Es gibt bei mir kein Projekt wo das EQ Rack von Steinberg eingeschaltet ist. Ich möchte mir gerne die Freiheit nehmen das im Channel zu haben was ich möchte und mich nicht in 02r zeiten vefrachten zu lassen. Bei Logic mit seinen vielen Inserts war dies überhaupt kein Problem. Vor allem ist mir aufgefallen das die Übersicht immer gut blieb ergal wie groß der “Mix” wurde. Ein zeichen dafür das man sich dort in diesem Punkt einen sehr großen Kopf gemacht hat.

  4. Stört es mich immer noch das man bei Logic keine Ordner zerschneiden und wie normale Spuren damit arbeiten kann (obwohl das Group Editing der Spuren in Cubase ja immer noch fehlerhaft ist und nicht immer sauber funktioniert). Auch gefiel mit bei Logic nicht das die beschränkung immer noch bei 24 Bit Daten liegt. Das wird sich sicherlich auch noch ändern.

  5. Die Funktionvielfalt ist bei Cubase defintiv höher…aber sie sind nicht richtig angeordnet und teilweise in Untermenüs usw zu finden wo man sich denkt wer auf die Idee gekommen ist diese Funktionen dort hin zu packen. Klar kann man sich Shortcuts anlegen aber leider auch nicht für alles.

  6. Gefiel mit am Ende des Tages das Arbeiten mit Logic besser als Cubase 8 und das ist echt traurig. Ich bin seit Atari Zeiten mit Twenty Four Steinberg User …für die ich auch gerne Geld bezahle aber das dann eine Firma wie Apple Updates rausschmettert mit dingen wie die Drummer usw. finde ich echt schon beachtlich. Das ich die Software indirekt mit der Hardware bezahle kann man so nicht sagen. Ich arbeite auch mit Cubase auf dem Mac gerne…obwohl es PCs gibt. Ich denke das sich Apple User auch Logic kaufen würden wenn die Software 800 Euro kosten würde. Das hat damit nichs zu tun. Bei der Logik dürfte es ja sonst keine Cubase Mac User geben…die gibt es aber und nicht wenige.

  7. Sehe ich das bei Nuendo die Funktion “Session Import Data” bei Nuendo eingeführt wurde - bei Cubase nicht. Muss aber zugeben das dies bei Logic auf jedenfall besser gelöst wurde. Und meiner meinung sogar wie bei Pro Tools…bei Cubase warten wir schon seit jahren da drauf. Um in der heutigen Zeit mit vielen Projekten schnell arbeiten zu können eine pflicht Funktion. Seinerzeit sagte mir Steinberg das ich in der Musik Produktion durch Nuendo keinen nennenswerten Mehrwert hätte und Cubase ausreichen würde - nun wird aber so eine Funktion nur in Nuendo eingebracht. Da kann wirklich etwas nicht stimmen.

  8. Arbeite ich mich nebenbei immer weiter in Logic ein bis ich damit so fit bin wie Cubase und werde meine Projekte dann auf Logic weiterverarbeiten. Ich glaube einfach nicht mehr da dran das man sich mit den Funktionen an sich und um den Worflow kümmern wird sondern einfach nur immer mehr “neues” zeug einpflegen wird. Das bringt mir persönlich aber nichts…ich will keine neuen sounds…will keinen neuen Eq…das was ich brauche ist ein guter Workflow und funktionen womit man schnell an sein Ergebniss kommt.

  9. Dann habe ich eine Frage an Steinberg. Die letzte Version von Cubase hatten sie ja Performance optimiert…wie kann es sein das das neue Logic so rasant bei der Darstellung usw. arbeiten kann? Bei Cubase habe ich immer das Gefühl als wenn alles mit einer gewissen Gemütlichkeit passiert. Bei Logic läuft alles wesentlich flüssiger und rasanter. Das spürt man sofort wenn man Logic startet und dann in Cubase wechselt…in dem Punkt muss wirklich unbedingt noch nachgebessert werden. Im Moment werde ich zweigleisig arbeiten und ich werde mir Cubase noch einige Versionen angucken und wenn das ganze eher zum “DJ” Werkzeug mutiert ist es leider nach so vielen Jahren nicht mehr meine Haupt DAW.

  10. Die Amis schnappen sich gerne funktionen anderer…aber was sie machen ist die Funktion zu nehmen …besser zu verpacken und die Funktionsweise logischer zu gestalten. Also mit diesem Vari Phase wurde ich nie warm und arbeite seit jahren schon mit Melodyne. Aber das von Logic hat mich zwar vom Sound her nicht überrascht aber für kleine dinge wäre ich nicht abgeneigt auch mal die Pitch korrektur von ihm zu nehmen. Ich kenne da viele Kollegen die mit Vari Phase arbeiten und sagten mir immer das sie abstürtze haben wenn sie es einsetzen. Es geht nicht darum wer es als erstes erfindet sondern es so einbindet das man damit entspannt arbeiten kann. Die Perfekte DAW gibt es bis heute nicht…aber mit Logic glaube ich werde ich weniger Kopfschmerzen haben. So sieht es zumindest im moment aus…

Liebe Grüsse

Paul van dyk in nem Interview letztes Jahr:

You were a Logic user for many years, but now seem to be waving the flag for Ableton Live. Did you and Logic have a falling out?

"It wasn’t Logic I fell out with; it was Apple. The company has changed so much since the early days. Back then, I think they really understood professional musicians. Now, they’re a company who make phones and tell you that you need to upgrade-upgrade-upgrade. If there’s a bug in Logic, who do I speak to? And even if I do speak to someone, will they know what the problem is or will they just say, ‘Maybe you need to upgrade your computer.’?

“I was so frustrated that I was planning to completely switch over to PC. I bought a new computer, started changing things over and eventually realised that some of my plugins weren’t going to work. So, I’m still with a Mac computer, but I now work with Ableton.”