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Best computer for Cubase?

Post by ilmolto » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:59 pm

Hello fellow Cubase users,

I've been a long time Cubase user but have had about a 4 year break since starting my own business (not music related). I sold all my gear but now I want to get back into music production. I recently updated to Cubase 8.5 and bought a NI Komplete Kontrol S61 MIDI keyboard. The next thing I need is a computer. Currently using a MacBook Pro 13 inch but really need a desktop computer. I was wondering, would you recommend a PC over a Mac? I love the Mac OS but in reality if Cubase runs better on windows, I'm happy to do that. But then the question is, what hardware do I go for? I'm willing to spend up to $4,000. I was thinking 27 inch Retina iMac with upgraded i7 processor and to add a SSD and more RAM. But if I go PC, I need some guidance as to what processor, etc to put in it.

Any information is much appreciated. I used to practically live on this forum. Cheers :)

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Post by Rommelaar » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:32 pm

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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by GeorgeV » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:39 pm

Hey Daniel,

You can build a powerful PC with your budget. The question is will it perform better than the i7 upgraded iMac? Unfortunately I cannot answer that, neither the cubase on win or mac question.

But If you decide to build your own PC there are several parts other than the processor you need to check. For example the motherboard, or the graphics card etc. Always make a good research on every single part you pick. And have in mind that the more expensive/powerful = the better is NOT ALWAYS the case. Of course there are some companies specialized in building PCs for audio production which is a safer way.

If you really love iOS would you consider a hackintosh maybe?
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by moondancer » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:49 pm

In my opinion do not buy Apple computers - they aren't worth any $. Better buy good PC Workstation on Xeon like HP Z640 or something and you will get serious stability and performance.
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Post by ilmolto » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:20 am

Thanks for your reply guys. I might have to suss out some computer stores to see what they can do for me. I wouldn't trust myself if I was to buy all the parts separately and then have someone build it for me. But I still really would prefer to get a Mac because it will play nice with my current MacBook Pro and iPhone, etc. Plus that 27 inch Retina display looks mega. I also have a lot of software for Mac and if I get a PC I won't be able to use a lot of it. It's hard being an Apple fanboy. But I see what you're saying moondancer. Apple are over priced, but they make it so easy to buy a computer. Whereas with a PC, there's so much out there it gets so confusing.

GeorgeV, I've heard of a hackintosh but never really considered it. Is that like the best of both worlds?

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Post by zipb » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:56 am

About the Hackintosh: more like the worst of both worlds. It's non-trivial to get it working on the level of a real Mac(with handsoff and continuity etc), plus you have to be even more careful about parts/software updates.

Only an option for really computer savvy people with a constrained budget who like to tinker.

An iMac quadcore i7 with a 5k screen is a pretty good deal, I think. Or otherwise get a a PC built by a company that specializes in DAW's.
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by ilmolto » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:04 pm

I was looking at the HP Z640 and wow. I didn't expect it to be so pricey. But then again that's probably the equivalent of buying a Mac Pro. But it would be more up to date.

In all seriousness I'm trying to sell myself a PC but it just ain't working. I know I love the Mac and I'm sure the i7 with a SSD will be quite efficient. The only thing I'm going to miss is that PCIe flash drive. But you can't have it all I guess.

I might wait a little longer to see if Apple release a new model over the coming months. Cheers guys.

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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by Rommelaar » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:18 pm

Problem with Apple in my eyes, are their yearly OS (insert funny name ... ) updates, each year with new things that are changed /enforced. So DAW and 3-d party plugin developers need to set aside time & cost to make their products work again for the new OS. Time and costs that could be used on make better products / features / stability (insert your wishes ... :idea: )

Bottom line ... vote with your wallet ... discourage Apples practises and buy a dedicated windows DAW. :ugeek:
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by Steve Helstrip » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:24 pm

I built a Hackintosh. Took a few days to get everything working 100%, but saved about 65% of the cost of comparable Mac Pro. Most powerful and stable set up I've ever had!
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by ilmolto » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:29 pm

Hey Steve,

You playing at Luminosity this year? I watched you (online) last year. Awesome set!

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Post by xerix » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:13 am

My budget was $5000 and Ive got a dual screen+3.8GHz+64GB RAM DDR4+1.2TB SSD with ASUS X99 Motherboard.
If your going with mac, save up bit more and get a mac pro (IMO)

remember in electronics, save $1 now -- spend $2 later

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Post by GeorgeV » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:51 pm

ilmolto wrote: GeorgeV, I've heard of a hackintosh but never really considered it. Is that like the best of both worlds?
Steve, who I really admire has a stable hackintosh. Others say it's a great hassle and you shouldn't bother.
It's up to you and the projects you'll be working on. It does worth a try to find someone who can build a hackintosh
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Post by Steve Helstrip » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:50 pm

ilmolto wrote:Hey Steve,

You playing at Luminosity this year? I watched you (online) last year. Awesome set!
Sure am!
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Post by soundstudio » Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:44 pm

Mac, if really want to work on Logic, otherwise no point in this.

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Post by Steve Helstrip » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:42 pm

soundstudio wrote:Mac, if really want to work on Logic, otherwise no point in this.
The age old debate :lol:
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by Svenne » Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:38 pm

ilmolto wrote:Apple are over priced
This is an old myth, often used by disciples of Micro$oft. Yes, there are plenty of cheap PC's around, but they are made with inferior components. I've actually calculated what it would cost to build a PC with the same specs as an equivalent Mac Pro. The factory-built Mac would cost 10-15 percent more than a self-built PC.

This was only taking the cost of the hardware components into consideration. Add to this that with the Mac, you only unpack it and start using it. With the self-built PC you first need to assemble all the parts and then cross your fingers and hope that they work together and with the Windows OS. Apple has done all this testing for you. Add to that that you get a lot of free software with your Mac, that you don't with the PC. Of cause you could buy a factory-built PC, but that would cost just as much (or maybe even more) than a Mac.

Mac's are expensive: Yes, but so are PC's of equivalent specs.
Mac's are overpriced: Maybe, but in that case, so are PC's of equivalent specs.

I guess that the old addict is true; "you get what you pay for".
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by WillB » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:28 pm

To your question if you use Windows 10:
I recently had a motherboard failure so I replaced my I-7 3770k computer last week with a HP i7-6700K 4GHz 16G DDR4 RAM 512G SSD, NVidia GTX960 graphics, space for 2 additional or 3 total HD slots. WIN10. Once I turned off the (unnecessary on a DAW) "services" and threw in my two 2TB Seagate 7200 drives, old Logitech kb and my old MS 5000 mouse this machine is very good. I think it it's called -HP ENVY Phoenix 860st. $1445.

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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by ilmolto » Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:32 am

Since shopping around for a Windows workstation, I have come to realise that they are damn expensive too! All you see in comments on YouTube videos is negative talk about Apple and how over priced they are. Seems like the iMac is actually best bang for your buck considering you get a 5k display with it. Only thing is you can't really expand it apart from external hard drives, SSDs, etc.

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Post by WillB » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:11 am

ilmolto wrote:Since shopping around for a Windows workstation, I have come to realise that they are damn expensive too! All you see in comments on YouTube videos is negative talk about Apple and how over priced they are. Seems like the iMac is actually best bang for your buck considering you get a 5k display with it. Only thing is you can't really expand it apart from external hard drives, SSDs, etc.
The HP machine I described above that I bought recently for $1445 has a very powerful Intel processor relatively speaking and a NVidia graphic card. You could buy a very good HP machine for half that price that would run Cubase but it depends on your need such as the amount and type of plugins/instruments etc. 5k display is not needed for Cubase. Dual monitors are nice.
'I don't know Apple products so I just looked at their all in one computers sometimes referred to as iMac at their site and what you get for the cost isn't much. Not much at all. But if you don't need much...and like paying more...
To compare apples to apples I don't even see a "all in one" Apple with a i7 Intel processor.
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by Rumdrum » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:30 pm

This debate pops up from time to time on this forum. I can remember at least 10 times during my membership time. Here on the forum you will find die hard fans of both the PC's and the MAC. I have tried out 7 PC and two MACs (MAC PRO - not the MACBook PRO) in my studio. I have used all from windows XP to Windows 10 on the PC and all from Snow Leopard to Mavericks on the MAC. When it comes to choosing I am not fan of either, or the other way around; a fan of both, depending on the task they are going to be working on.

I do all my dayly work as an organization consultants on PC (as office has a better GUI on PC than MAC) and I currently own 7 of them. I do all my studio work on MAC and I own two of them. I even have one MAC and one PC set up working together.

The reason for running the studio on a MAC, and not on the more (for me) familiar PC, is that it was like going from hell to heaven when it comes to installing SW instruments and plugins and operational stability.

Mind you that is my experience, and only mine. I have understood through the referred previous forum discussions that for some people it is the other way around. Among my friends and aquaintancies there are both MACs and PCs. I get less questions on technical issues from the MAC users, however too few friends to have any significant statistical value.

My advice would be to get a computer that looks nice and can be upgraded memory wise and where you can add more disc capacity, either inside or outside the computer. And a fairly fast one. If you are going to have the computer in the same room as your mic is, go fo the most silent ones. Get a black one or a grey one. A green one or a yellow one. You see there are many other aspects other than wheather it is a MAC or a PC. For the same kind of perfomance they cost about the same. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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Post by WillB » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:36 pm

Except facts speak for themselves.
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Post by thelegr » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:19 pm

zipb wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:56 am
About the Hackintosh: more like the worst of both worlds. It's non-trivial to get it working on the level of a real Mac(with handsoff and continuity etc), plus you have to be even more careful about parts/software updates.

Only an option for really computer savvy people with a constrained budget who like to tinker.

An iMac quadcore i7 with a 5k screen is a pretty good deal, I think. Or otherwise get a a PC built by a company that specializes in DAW's.
Sorry for the SO delayed reply but i HAD to answer that post.

This is SO wrong. It totally depends on what parts are you end up using. for example, i have an imac27 (2015), and a Skylake i7 7700k pc with Win/Hackintosh dual boot... and ALL my music tasks shows that Hackintosh is WAY better and more stable than iMac. and all that on 2/3 of iMac's cost.

Faster audio/Video rendering
WAY faster boot time
WAY less gliches with on-board sound card
Better quality audio
FULLY compatible with my audio cards (Akai EIE Pro and MOTU 828x)

The only negative is that i had to pay more attention on my Screen's quality (and it was bad for my wallet)

I'm planning to sell the iMac so i can build a second pc like that.

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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by brett22 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:43 am

Hi ilmolto,

There are agencies that make computer systems, especially for audio/multimedia.

frequently Media center and/or computer systems from agencies like HP/Dell come bloated with hardware, software program, and heritage tactics that may get inside the manner. The fine wager is to install a fresh version of XP without any extra crap. HP and whatnot often include preinstalled apps and crap.. which is like shopping for a tv show on DVD and it nevertheless has the advertisements. genuinely demanding.

anyway, ADK and PCaudiolabs come to mind.

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Post by digi001 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:40 pm

I also am looking for a recommended computer.
It would be nice to get a list going of the various setups out there...without having to pay some company to do it.

They used to do this on this forum when I was using cubase 3/4 back a while ago, but it seems I cant find a good thread now for 2017.

If you have a nice working setup....

Please list:
1. Computer Type/RAM
2. OS
3. Audio Interface
4. Monitor setup
5. MIDI Hardware Interface
6. Typical Buffer Settings for Recording/Mixing
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Re: Best computer for Cubase?

Post by DubblD » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:49 am

If someone can tell me if it's

Can anyone tell me if it is better to buy a powerful Intel processor (like an i7 - and which one) or a dual processors type bi-xeon for Cubase ?

Thanks.

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