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Post by dr4kan » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:24 pm

The idea behind VST Connect is interesting but it assumes you know some professionals available for remote recordings. So, I think it would be useful to collect somewhere a list of musicians available for remote recording and their fees.

For example, I wish to add real saxophone to a project I am working on, but I don't know any professional to arrange a VST Connect session with...that's why such a list would be handy.
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Post by cpechet1 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:33 pm

Great idea!!
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Post by curteye » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:34 pm

So it starts.

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Post by distante » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:09 am

Cool Idea really
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Post by cpechet1 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:37 am

So I figured that I should give the list thing a try so I built a site for just this purpose... Nothing fancy but hopefully usable. If someone is interested in giving it a go please do... Let me know if you run into bugs or suggestions for improvements. It has only been unit tested so no real QA... Weekend job...

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Post by dr4kan » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:22 pm

cpechet1 wrote:So I figured that I should give the list thing a try so I built a site for just this purpose... Nothing fancy but hopefully usable. If someone is interested in giving it a go please do... Let me know if you run into bugs or suggestions for improvements. It has only been unit tested so no real QA... Weekend job...

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Re: List of musicians available for remote recordings

Post by cpechet1 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:10 pm

It would be nice to be able to use either MySteinberg or forum creds for authentication but I doubt SB would permit their use by a third-part developer. Such allowance would greatly simplify things for users (no login / profile management). In terms of design language the best option would be to use SB's css and figure out what's what and use it accordingly. Again, I'm not sure if SB would allow its property to be used by third-party folks. All the above would certainly be nice though.
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Post by wodehouse » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:30 pm

I thought Charlie Steinberg had sort of already done this.
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Post by cpechet1 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:35 pm

wodehouse wrote:I thought Charlie Steinberg had sort of already done this.
http://www.digitalmusician.net/
Lots of great stuff here but a fair amount to wade through if all you are looking for is VST Connect users...
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Post by SteelyDani » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:57 pm

dr4kan wrote:The idea behind VST Connect is interesting but it assumes you know some professionals available for remote recordings. So, I think it would be useful to collect somewhere a list of musicians available for remote recording and their fees.
An excellent idea. During the last three years I've made an album cooperating online with several studios and musicians (vocalists, guitarists, bassists) from different countries (USA, New Zealand, UK, France). Even the mastering was done at Abbey Road on line. Obviously, a large part of the recordings and all mixes were made at my own studio.

The experience has been very positive and the result can be heard by clicking on my signature and listening to the album titled 1973.

The only limitation I found on this process was the lack of real-time interaction with the musicians. This limitation would be entirely obviated with VST Connect Pro, which seems like a dream.

Now all we need is to be able to use VST Connect with many studios. Therefore I insist that the idea of creating a list of musicians for remote VST Connect recording seems really excellent.
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Post by dr4kan » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:25 pm

SteelyDani wrote:During the last three years I've made an album cooperating online with several studios and musicians (vocalists, guitarists, bassists) from different countries (USA, New Zealand, UK, France). Even the mastering was done at Abbey Road on line. Obviously, a large part of the recordings and all mixes were made at my own studio.
That's exactly what I am planning to do. BTW, I checked the link and I listened to some songs from your album...very very nice, especially "Long"...

I am working on instrumental project. I recorded most of the tracks in my studio, but I still miss some parts/intruments which I'd like to record remotely, also to keep the costs low...so, I would really appreciated a list of professionals available for remote recordings with their fees. I hope SB will take care of this as it would increase the sells of their new product.
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Post by SteelyDani » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:50 pm

Thank you very much for your kind comment.
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Post by dr4kan » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:04 am

So, nobody from SB about this? I think it would be enough to create a form, accessible somewhere from the SB site, where people can register: name, location, bio, gear, soundtrack account to listen to some sample, etc... or something like this.

Just to avoid cheats, etc... I would require a valid credit card at the registration step, also as protection for the people who "hire" those guys for remote sessions...you know, just to avoid that someone gets the money but does not do the job...

This would be a good starting point, but for the future maybe SB can think about a dedicated service for all this.
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Post by Svarling » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:20 pm

I created a Facebook Group for this!
Feel welcome to join in and CONNECT :D

https://www.facebook.com/groups/236846973155877/
(You could also try searching for "VST Connect Performers")

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Post by AlbergKeys » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:32 pm

what about a soundcloud group for it?
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Post by aptmusic9 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:12 pm

Hi,

I'm a violinist/composer, happy to record violin for people. I'm also looking for a cellist. Cellists please contact me.

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Post by Svenne » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:56 am

dr4kan wrote:I would require a valid credit card at the registration step
Then you would loose most of your participants. Giving away creditcard details as a form of is identification is idiotic in these days of rampant internet creditcard frauds.

These days, I believe, it's mostly used by shady porn-sites. Would you really aspire to be associated with those?
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Post by LCProductions » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:25 am

So I take it that SB is not going to assist with this judging from the age of the post and no response.
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Post by L.F. » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:37 am

Excellent idea, and one I've been waiting to happen ever since VST connect came out. But expecting Steinberg to create and support a community that gives them no direct financial benefit? They can barely stand keeping a free online forum.
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Post by Svenne » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:12 pm

L.F. wrote:But expecting Steinberg to create and support a community that gives them no direct financial benefit
Well, the operative word here is direct. Isn't it?

Setting "dating" site for VST Connect users is easy. The complicated thing is handling revenue streams and making sure that the guy who is hired is up to the job. Remember, it's not only studios that can benefits from hiring musicians. Musicians can benefit from hiring a studio (engineer) for recording and mastering aswell. Finding alternative ways of making money, is what the Internet is about these days, isn't it?

Here's one idea. The revenue stream could be handled with some kind of "point" system:
1) The members could purchase "X" amount of points.
2) These points could then be used as currency for services rendered. (i.e. recordings done.) The purchasing of points should not be a requisite for signing up. Some members maybe only are interested in being hired and not in hiring.
3) A member should be able to convert accumulated points at to real currency at any time.

The question about members competence, could easily be solved by letting them post links to Soundcloud and letting the members who hires other members grade them.

This is just a basic idea, that needs to be further refined.

I'm sure that, sooner or later, someone will present a service like this. The question is, will it be Steinberg or someone else? Today, Steinberg has the lead with VST Connect SE integrated in Cubase. Will they capitalize on this, or will they sit idle and let someone else steal the market from under them? I guess, only the future can tell!
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Post by L.F. » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:37 pm

Svenne wrote:Well, the operative word here is direct. Isn't it?
Yes, it is. That's the whole point. Steinberg makes some great products, but they have no long-term vision when it comes to new ideas. They're all about the bottom line - profit and how to get more money from their users. They charge whatever they can, as often as they can, and invest as little as possible to maximize profit.
To be fair, most corporations do the same, but unlike Steinberg they at least create an illusion of "customers before profits", to make sure their customers don't feel "used" or "cheated".
So unfortunately, unless they see a way to make direct profit out of it, I'm pretty sure SB will not create such a community. At least not until someone else creates one and makes a viable business option.
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Post by Svenne » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:50 pm

L.F. wrote:So unfortunately, unless they see a way to make direct profit out of it, I'm pretty sure SB will not create
Well, there is a way of generating profit with such a service. I don't think anyone expects them to administer the buying and selling of "point"s for free. Of cause they would deduct a fee for this service.
L.F. wrote:At least not until someone else creates one and makes a viable business option.
When this happens, it already too late and VST Connect is a dead duck!

Remote recording is a wide open market today. But as soon as someone presents an easy to use and reliable option, it will slam shut.
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Post by profdraper » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:04 am

FWIW,
Avid call it 'Avid Everywhere', see NAMM 2015 for much more on that I'd say. http://www.avid.com/US/Solutions/byIndu ... eview.html

Ditto for Presonsus, Studio One and Nimbit. http://www.nimbit.com
Ditto Propellorheads, Reason & Discover, https://www.propellerheads.se/drop-to-propellerhead
And of course Ohm studio, the most developed version of the contacts /social networking aspects of all of this. Many thousands of musicians collaborating there but AFAIK that is not monetised by them, or if so, if 'off the grid'. http://www.ohmstudio.com (simply post stems from your DAW of choice in the Ohm DAW); works well if you imagine the Ohm DAW as a substitute for VST connect.
Otherwise, Gobbler are doing some cool things in this space, I wonder if they may have the interest to take it further. https://www.gobbler.com

All of these services cost for subscription-base and cloud storage (of course). I guess the interesting thing about the VST Connect project is that it is peer-to-peer & platform agnostic at the remote end. It may well be that some enterprising artist may want to wrap a social network /artist fee container around this, but again, could only really be subscription-based like the other examples here. And so it should be, a lot of work there, but suitable enterprise hosting engines can be had for small annual fees (Name Cheap for example).

Steinberg could have intentions in this space, but I wouldn't hold my breath; many other DAW companies appear to be heading this way. Rumours about Ableton Live for some time now. So-called 'cloud DAWs' seem inevitable & IMO, Ohm seem the furthest down the track in this respect.
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Post by shadowfax » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:19 am

dr4kan wrote:The idea behind VST Connect is interesting but it assumes you know some professionals available for remote recordings. So, I think it would be useful to collect somewhere a list of musicians available for remote recording and their fees.

For example, I wish to add real saxophone to a project I am working on, but I don't know any professional to arrange a VST Connect session with...that's why such a list would be handy.
Google is your friend here, I've found plenty of muso's available...they do want money though, Wim is a member of this community and he is an excellent Sax player..he usually charges around 100 Euro but if your lucky he might do it for 50..it seems the day's of ''free'' collab are gone.
but there are some muso's out there who will collab for free, just gotta find em..
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Post by monsterjazzlicks » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:21 pm

Hi,
dr4kan wrote:The idea behind VST Connect is interesting but it assumes you know some professionals available for remote recordings. So, I think it would be useful to collect somewhere a list of musicians available for remote recording and their fees.
I might be willing to give it a bash just for the experience and learning curve. It would be something totally new to me. Though of course I have played in recording studios before in person (with mixed results! lol). However, I can only play keyboards and so am not a 'multi-instrumentalist'.

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