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High-pitched whine/noise while using Cubase.

Post by Frode Hansen » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:23 am

Hello.
I really hope you can help me.
I'm running the new Cubase Pro 8, but this problem has always been there since I started out with Cubase 5.
The problem is that I always have this persistent high pitched whine whenever I open Cubase.
It's probably down to me using cheap gear, but I'd like to know what I can do.

My pc is running W7x64, and I've hooked up an M-Audio FireWire 410 that goes to a Mackie VLZ mixer and out to my monitors.
Also, if I connect a guitar and start up Guitar Rig, the noise is unbearable. I've noticed that there's a sweet spot in which I can hold the guitar where tha noise isn't so bad.

What can I do? Would it be better to place the pc further away?

Thanks a lot for your help.

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Post by bondsong » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:23 am

It sounds like a wiring issue or a bad connection of some kind. Do you have any extra cords around to replace the cords you are using?

It's not Cubase but you are going to have to experiment with your gear to see what's causing the problem. I would start by taking the VLZ out of the equation. Hook up directly through the 410 and see if it's still there for starters.
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Re: High-pitched whine/noise while using Cubase.

Post by jgale » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 am

A couple of thoughts:

- could be a bad cable - try replacing and trying different cables - sometimes long cable runs are particularly noisy
- could be digital interference - make sure your computer, usb, firewire cables, are located away from your audio cables
- picking up interference from power supplies - make sure that audio cables are away from power supplies (wall warts)
- ground loop / 60 cycle hum - try having all of your equipment (PC, audio interface, speakers, etc.) plugged into one power strip and then into one outlet

Usually it is trying one thing at a time until you isolate the issue.

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Post by shagazulu » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:28 am

Wait, is it just happening when you open Cubase? what about other software?

Also, are you talking about Guitar Rig inside of Cubase, or standalone?
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Re: High-pitched whine/noise while using Cubase.

Post by BriHar » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:39 pm

That'll be the new audio engine in Cubase Pro !
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If you have nothing connected (to your interface) apart from headphones do you still hear it?
The suggestion by bondsong to eliminate the mixer is the obvious first step.
What jgale wrote is correct, you need to isolate the cause, and he provides a good list of things to check.
We're waiting for you to get back to us with your findings ;)
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Re: High-pitched whine/noise while using Cubase.

Post by Frode Hansen » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:05 pm

Many thanks for your feedback.
I tried to connect my headphones directly to the phones out on the M-audio.
It was dead quiet.

I opened the Guitar Rig plugin - which is what I meant, that I use it as a plugin in Cubase, not stand alone.
That was just as noisy as before. I've enclosed a sound clip so that you can hear the noise. You can hear that the sound changes as I turn the guitar around; on one spot it's almost quiet. It's a Fender Telecaster Baritone with a standard Tele single coil on the Crazy Randy preset in Guitar Rig 5.

So it's obvious that things are too close to eachother. It seems that there's something in the pc that guitar react to with high pitched noise.

Do any of you have problems in running guitar plugins?

Edit: I was unable to upload the sound file, unfortunately.

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Post by jgale » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:16 pm

fyi - Your sound did not appear on the post.

So the system is completely quiet until you start up Guitar Rig? Guitar Rig definitely boosts any noise it finds in the environment.

If it the system is quiet until you launch Guitar Rig - it could still be cables, input impedance, ground loop, problem with your guitar pickup, etc.

My suggestions above still stand with a few additions:
- Do you have the correct impedance input for your guitar? I understand that you need a pretty high impedance for guitars.
- Does the sound change when you touch the strings (indicating possible ground issues)

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Post by shagazulu » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:53 pm

You have a single coil pickup. They pickup noise, unless they're in that sweet spot. That, plus guitar plugins often emulate the sound of a noisy amp.

Plus whatever else might be going on...
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Post by jgale » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:11 am

Frode Hansen wrote: Edit: I was unable to upload the sound file, unfortunately.
You could PM me with the sound file - maybe that would work?
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Post by DLearyUS » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:33 am

this may be a dumb question but are you using a flat screen display or an older style CRT? guitars and crt's are not good freinds lol
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Post by -steve- » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:40 am

Are you running balanced lines from the Mackie mixer to your monitors?
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Post by fireinthefishtank » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:50 am

Its the bugs screaming in cubase pro 8. Thats why its high pitched. It only happens when you press play or try to do do things with cubase. If you press pause the bugs stop screaming.

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Post by raffo79 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:46 pm

according to what you said could be a problem related to power menagment inside your computer.
try inside BIOS to DISABLE any voice concerning energy saving. in detail :

(older bios)
C1e support/ intel speed step ->off!

(newer bios)
enhanced speed step + c state -> off!

let us know.

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Post by BriHar » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:09 pm

Yes, Single coil pickups are notorious for picking up interference from almost anything - CRTs (as mentioned) [replace with new ] Florescent lights [turn them off], PCs, motors etc., etc. [isolate as best you can].

I remember we had a street concert once, and the guitarist was having a heck of a problem with his tele picking up from the nearby overhead trolley lines - he had to orient himself in a certain position and then couldn't move. We quickly organized an SG with humbucking pickups and the problem was gone.

This problem has perplexed even some of the best, and in good studios BTW ;)
So, I suggest, if at all possible, you use a different guitar! Either that or prepare to hunt for the best position to hold the guitar and find the best place in (or out of) the room.

Would be a good test for your problem at any rate to at least try another axe without SCs
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Post by Musicalkat » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:42 pm

I would go with most of the suggestions above....but, quite a few years again, when I got my new setup I had an awful lot on whining through my Focusrite 6i6. It was there when I recorded vocals etc.

After trying most things, I found that my problem was that my Midi cable didn't have one of those little filters on. I got one for my soundcard and midi keyboard on eBay and it stopped instantly.

Might not help, but thought I'd add :)
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Post by electric-rhyme » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:34 pm

I haven't read all of the posts on this page so maybe someone already went through this.

I had a whining noise from my monitors too for a long time. My noise wasn't only in cubase, it was in photoshop and games too.

2 things that took away the digital distortion:

1. Use separate electrical sockets for the monitors and the computer.
2. Changed to balanced XLR cables.

Now I have absolutely no noise. Hope this gives you some help and ideas atleast. Good luck :)

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Post by djangodeadman » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:19 pm

BriHar wrote: I remember we had a street concert once, and the guitarist was having a heck of a problem with his tele picking up from the nearby overhead trolley lines - he had to orient himself in a certain position and then couldn't move. We quickly organized an SG with humbucking pickups and the problem was gone.
Aside from the fact you now had to put up with the sound of an SG, rather than the guitar the guitarist wanted to use!
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Post by paulb » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:36 pm

I had a FireWire 410 for a long time, on my laptop PC.

Whenever using analogue outputs, I would get horrible high-pitched computer whining and gurgling noises - all the time.

No problem with using the on-board headphone outputs, but the moment any copper connection to an un-balanced audio amp, then back came the noise again.

Moved over to using optical digital outputs. Clear as a bell ever since.

Suspect some sort of grounding loop issue, and the effects of crappy power supplies and poor shielding in the lap-top.

Nothing to do with Cubase whatsoever though.
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Post by DaveAbbott » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:24 am

Hi All

I have this problem,,,, I married it :lol: :lol:

Naaa.... She's actually great, sorry guys couldn't resist this :)

Best Regards

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Post by jgale » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:40 pm

DaveAbbott wrote:Hi All

I have this problem,,,, I married it :lol: :lol:

Naaa.... She's actually great, sorry guys couldn't resist this :)

Best Regards

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Post by sacha1618 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:29 pm

Hi there,

I also am hearing a constant high-pitch sound through my speakers.
It begins the moment I load up Cubase 7.5 and remains constant and persistent (except when I disable the sound driver in Cubase entirely) until I finally close Cubase 7.5 .
It DOESN'T happen with any other software that I use.

I run a Windows 10 PC with Cubase 7.5.
The PC is coupled to my Yamaha MW10c mixer via a direct USB connection.
I've ensured that my computer has the latest Windows 10 compatible driver for this mixer installed on it.
My Yamaha MW10c mixer then sends the analogue stereo output via 1/4" line-level cables to my pair of Yamaha HS80M powered speakers.
All of the above mentioned products/equipment I've purchased and registered.

The noise is not overly loud, but loud enough to be quite intrusive.
Curiously enough, it is significantly louder from my right speaker than from my left speaker.
Disconnecting either of the two speakers does not change the level of it coming out of the other.

It is independent of my (powered) speaker volumes or the stereo output volume on my Yamaha MW10c mixer (it's still apparent when ALL volumes are -inf dB on both the mixer, speakers and Windows' mixer), so it's clearly nothing to do with noise/interference in any of the analogue components of my gear.
It is also worth mentioning that the noise persists even without any audio inputs connected to my computer or mixer.

It is exactly 1kHz (I've tested it with a tuner) and it sounds much like a saw tooth wave.
Someone somewhere mentioned something about USB frames being in 1ms periods, so I'm speculating that this is somehow related to feedback over the USB interface between the PC and the Yamaha MW10c (again, this only happens with Cubase; not other software).

Has anyone got any ideas as to how I can eliminate this problem, without having to do without the USB interface between my computer and Yamaha mixer entirely?

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Post by ColinPark » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:48 pm

I once had a problem a bit like that. It's unlikely to be the same problem, but for what it's worth:

I was running Cubase thru my audio interface, and system sounds thru the regular sound card. This was any sound generated outside of Cubase never makes it to the audio interface. (idea #1: It could be some interaction between the DAW and other software somehow running in the background that makes just a whisper of noise, so maybe silence other software sound sources.)

So I was running 2 stereo audio signals to my amp, with one of them selected at any time. (This was before I got powered monitors. I was using a home stereo system.) Regardless of which signal was active, there was moderately high pitched noise (more of a white noise than a sawtooth). I discovered that it went away when I disconnected the inactive signal. I believe the audio interface, the amp, and the computer soundcard had somehow shared a ground that they couldn't agree on, despite all being on the same AC circuit. (idea #2: It could be an interaction between multiple audio inputs going into the mixer. Disconnect other inputs to see if it helps. It could be even a relationship thru the AC circuit).

Speakers acting differently

This suggests a cable problem. I now have Yamaha powered monitors, but I use the XLR connection on them. It's line level (+4dB). You should use a balanced line if you're not doing so already. (Doesn't have to be XLR, could be 1/4" TRS).

But you don't have the problem with other software. Perhaps the problem lies of the other side of Cubase. (idea #3: check for rogue input sources that might be feeding an an open audio track in Cubase. That would include cables carrying the input).

These are just guesses. I hope something helps.
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Post by Barmey » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:01 pm

Hi,

I am also having the same problem. I hear the buzzing coming directly out of my PC laptop into my headphones. It only happens when I open Cubase. I'm using Cubase 8.5, windows 10 - 64bit.

I tried reinstalling / updating my audio drivers but that didn't work.. however, I see that in my playback devices, it says that the audio is going through the speakers and there is no "headphones" option listed. So I thought that might be an issue, but after reinstalling drivers, there still does not seem to be a headphone option.

Any suggestions?

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High-pitched whine/noise NOT THE CABLES or GEAR

Post by rockmeamadeus » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:30 am

THIS PROBLEM IS NOT CABLES OR GEAR

I have the high pitched whine, it is at the same frequency as B6 (almost two octaves above middle C).
I have a a P105 (Yamaha digital Piano), cables from the Audio Outputs on the back into a small Behringer mixer with USB digital audio out.
All this is plugged into a Mac running High Sierra.

If I simply plug the piano in, switch it on and monitor through headphones - no whine. It is NOT coming from the piano. I don't hear it on my monitor speakers either, which are plugged into the Main output from the mixer.

As soon as I switch on Cubase, the whine starts. If I now disconnect the piano, it stops. If I turn down the piano input pot, it stops.
IT ALSO HAPPENS WHEN I ACTIVATE GARAGE BAND!

I have a USB microphone, plugged directly into the machine, which does not have this problem. If I monitor the mixing desk, which has the piano plugged in, and I switch Cubase or Garage band to the USB Microphone Codec - the whine stops. This suggests to me that the problem is an interaction between the USB Audio Codec and the mixing desk, somehow.

I've tried all sorts of setting on the internal sound setting of the computer - but to no avail.

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