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Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:10 pm
by raino
It gets disorienting after awhile to see the notes in flat keys displayed as sharps in the key editor. Since we can add a key signature in the chord track how about having the key editor use that info to display the note names correctly. Also it would be nice to have a button to select if notes are shown as sharps or flats when no key signature is being used.

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:25 pm
by -steve-
+1 for a system that will show flats and sharps in a sensible way!

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:13 pm
by emotive
The layout is a bit odd, wrong way round, so yes fix both.

+1

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:37 pm
by JMCecil
+1

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:18 pm
by r.u.sirius
+1
show some respect for harmonics ;)

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:21 am
by mozizo
+1

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:13 pm
by andyjh
100% yes, we need to see flats as well. It's the same in the score editor in the info line - it is always shown as sharps even when in flat keys - it is only on the score itself where we finally get to see flats.

It's disconcerting to enter Bb in the info bar, for it to be replaced with A#. :x

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:50 pm
by raino
andyjh wrote:100% yes, we need to see flats as well. It's the same in the score editor in the info line - it is always shown as sharps even when in flat keys - it is only on the score itself where we finally get to see flats.

It's disconcerting to enter Bb in the info bar, for it to be replaced with A#. :x
Oddly it does show chord names as flats in the info line, e.g Bb7 and not A#7. Actually all of them show up as Xb7 except for F#7.

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:12 pm
by -steve-
bumping this...

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:31 am
by Crotchety
Could this be linked to how you enter the Project Key? [Edit: i.e. could this be made part of the solution - see later]

(But I'm just thinking - and it's a bit late so this might turn out to half-baked - is there really a choice to be made? Does anyone actually write in A# or Gb? Aren't we always using Bb and F#? Some context sensitivity might not go amiss, so whatever you entered you got C# Eb F# Ab Bb and the editors would reflect this with # or b showing automatically.)

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:49 am
by -steve-
The problem is it's only sharps, no flats at all in the key editor and the drop down lists. (including the the Project Key)

This is not a problem in the Score editor of course, that has been sorted well imo.

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:39 am
by curteye
SteveInChicago wrote:bumping this...
+1
I brought this up at least a year ago.

Perhaps the new London notation team will have a solution
in an up-date/grade.

Hope so.
{'-'}

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:31 pm
by Crotchety
SteveInChicago wrote:The problem is it's only sharps, no flats at all in the key editor and the drop down lists. (including the the Project Key)
I've just re-read my post from last night and it's ambiguous. I didn't mean the problem lay with the Project Key, I meant that they might be able to solve it in part from there. But in the cold light of day I'm no longer sure it's such a great idea... (it was late)

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:32 pm
by -steve-
Crotchety wrote:I've just re-read my post from last night and it's ambiguous.
Don't worry. I've just gone over my life from the past few decades. It's also ambiguous. ;)

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:41 pm
by Crotchety
SteveInChicago wrote:
Crotchety wrote:I've just re-read my post from last night and it's ambiguous.
Don't worry. I've just gone over my life from the past few decades. It's also ambiguous. ;)
I know that one, I just keep taking the meds... ;)

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:20 pm
by curteye
They gave you meds!!!???
:)

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Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:54 am
by undjd
+ 1 . good time saver too

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:47 pm
by djaychela
+1. The whole "everything is a sharp" is just plain wrong - if you set the key then it should respect that. It means I make mistakes sometimes when explaining something to a class, so I can't imagine how confusing they find it when they're not even comfortable with key signatures etc...

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:52 pm
by curteye
C'mon guys,

We all know that notation/score users are the 'red-headed-step children' of Cubase.

But IMHO it is getting a lil better. (a lil.)

As of C4 I gave up completely and went over to Finale and then Sebelius.
(To be honest I used Finale before I ever heard of Cubase. 1992-3)

I tried again with C5 and hardly even touch it with C6.

I am not sure what changed (maybe me) but as of C7 I can now score in Cubase.

Nothing heavy duty yet but scoring for my choir and orch at church
can now all be done in Cubase. And it prints beautifully.

IMHO
It will just get better going forward, But I still keep Sebelius at the ready.

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Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:08 pm
by -steve-
curteye wrote:We all know that notation/score users are the 'red-headed-step children' of Cubase.
+1
curteye wrote:But IMHO it is getting a lil better. (a lil.)
+1

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:13 am
by djaychela
curteye wrote:C'mon guys,

We all know that notation/score users are the 'red-headed-step children' of Cubase.
It's not just score though, I'm talking about key and list editors (and indeed throughout Cubase) - if a key has been set, it should be reflected here.

I long ago (i.e. in the late 90s) gave up any chance of the score editor getting fixed properly!

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:35 pm
by -steve-
djaychela wrote:It's not just score though
Actually, this problem does not exist in Score Edit, obviously. curteye probably meant that it's score users who care so much about sharps and flats display, but that's not the subject of this free-ranging thread. :o

I do lots of work in Score edit, it's great for small ensemble stuff.

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:20 am
by swift
+1 DEFINITELY! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:28 am
by djaychela
Holy Thread Resurrection, Batman!

However, I still come across this all the time - it's incredible how confusing it can be when you're trying to teach someone who's just getting their head around key signatures and some basic theory, and you then have to tell them that despite you saying that there are flat keys they all get displayed as sharps in Cubase. When a kid just about understands that there's a B flat in the key of F and then has to make the mental jump to having an A and an A# in his work, it's incredibly hard for some of them (I'd say just about all who don't have a formal music background before I start teaching them).

Come on, Steinberg, it can't be that hard to do? (If you can be bothered, of course!)

Re: Ability to display both sharps & flats in key editor

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:36 pm
by skillet
I too would love to have resolution to this, it drives me batty to be in Eb and see all the sharps.