Key change at end of flow (system)

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Key change at end of flow (system)

Post by carlvandoorne » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:33 pm

Hello,

I'm learning dorico by making my own version of Burgmuller op.100 25 etudes. In nr 14 there is at the end of the last bar a da capo followed by a key change. Is it possible to add the key change after the double bar? I don't know if it is possible at this time. Of course, I could copy the whole passage after this last bar, but as a learning process it's good to know all the possibilities of this marvelous program
burgmuller 14 ending.png
END OF OP.100 NR14
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Re: Key change at end of flow (system)

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:10 am

Unfortunately if that really is the last bar of the piece, you can't currently add a key signature there. If, on the other hand, the piece continues onto the next system, then creating the key signature at the start of the next system will cause a cautionary key signature to be shown at the end of the previous one, just as you show in your picture.

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Re: Key change at end of flow (system)

Post by carlvandoorne » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:31 pm

Hi Daniel,

Thank you for clearing this out. It is indeed the end of the piece (flow). I have seen this also in jazz lead sheets. Is it possible in near future to have control over such a feature..?

Thank you for the time you'r taking to answer all of these questions, it is much appreciated.
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Re: Key change at end of flow (system)

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:52 am

I'm afraid it's probably not going to be possible in the near future, but we certainly do want to take into consideration how to handle reminders of things like changes of clef, key, and time signature when repeating back to an earlier part in the flow in due course.

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Re: Key change at end of flow (system)

Post by Ted Braithwaite » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:26 am

Has there been any development on this feature?

I have a different requirement for the same feature. Namely, in the musical I'm notating, a song is split into several parts, each requiring a new flow (new title, different singers, etc.). Since these flows are segues, each end with a double bar line and some need a cautionary key signature and/or time signature at the end of their respective flows.

I thought I managed to achieve this a few weeks' ago, but now I can't seem to do it without another bar being inserted at the end of the flow.

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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:08 pm

No, there’s no way to do this using multiple flows. I wonder whether in your case, Ted, you could consider using a single flow? You could still insert titles etc. by having text frames interspersed between systems, just superimposing them on top of the music frames if need be.

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Re: Key change at end of flow (system)

Post by steveparker » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:38 pm

I would still like to use flows for organisation and not for ad hoc notational choices. It is a pain in a set of things, to have two in one flow, because then you have to fudge titles. Also a pain to have to split flows just to avoid cautionaries. I realise that requiring a cautionary at the end of a flow is not straightforward and would need to take into account re-arrangement of flows.
The philosophical decision to avoid show/hides (for some things) really spoils the intuitive organisational use of flows.

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