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Custom Instruments/Transposition

Post by axyndus » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:44 pm

Hello
I'm currently arranging a piece for windband with a great Highland bagpipe (GHP). Dorico has a bagpipe, but it's a non-transposing instrument. For the GHP I'd need an instrument in Db (the reality is more complicated but this works for notational purposes). Is there or will there be a way to either create a custom instrument or to change the transposition of an existing one?

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Re: Custom Instruments/Transposition

Post by LeifG » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:02 pm

Wouldn't it work to transpose the whole bagpipe part?

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Post by Rob Tuley » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:54 pm

LeifG wrote:Wouldn't it work to transpose the whole bagpipe part?
Bagpipe notation doesn't quite follow the normal "rules", because the natural scale is D major, but the music is written without accidentals or key signature. (In traditional piping, the other semitones in a full chromatic scale are never used).

You can create a different key signature on one staff using the K popover and pressing Alt-Enter instead of Enter.

You can also tweak the playback pitch of an instrument by a semitone in the HALion player. Select the instrument and hit the "Edit" button.

Actually, if you go into the MIDI tab in HALion, you could probably tweak the playback so that F and C naturals play as F and C sharp, by playing the bagpipe patch on two different MIDI channels and switching the notes to the appropriate one. That would be a bit messy to set up, but at least the total range of the pipes is fairly small which limits the amout of work to do it.

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Post by axyndus » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:57 am

Thank you, I will try your suggestion of tweaking the playback.

EDIT: tried it and it works very well :) Changing the key signature of just the bagpipes and then transposing it up one semitone in the MIDI-tab of HALion seems to be the solution, thank you!
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Re: Custom Instruments/Transposition

Post by VanDariu » Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 pm

Hello everybody :)

I'm working on a large piece with rather complex unspecified orchestration (something like in The Art of the Fugue by J.S.B.), where each part may be played by a number of different instruments. Of course, things couldn't be that simple... frequently each instrument has a different transposition. This is just for one single part! Multiplying by 10 (the number of unspecified parts I plan to use) can lead to a real mess in a complex symphonic score..... Tackling this task is certainly possible right now, but it's rather cumbersome... In my ideal scenario, I should be able to create, in Setup, several Part Layouts of the same Player/s, each with its own independent transposition, selectable in Layout options. Is this the direction Dorico will go toward, or will it go somewhere else entirely? Is there something useful coming in the next version of the program? (When exactly is the new version coming? :D )

Congratulations Dorico team for this wonderfully thought out (and hopefully future-proof) program! Keep up the good work! :D :D
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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Tue May 08, 2018 8:29 pm

We do intend to make it possible to have layouts that are identical in every way apart from in transposition, since this is a common need for lots of different kinds of music, including band music.

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