Empty Bars (Again?)

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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by fratveno » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:25 pm

Try Trim Flow now... :)
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by GTBannah » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:58 am

fratveno wrote:Try Trim Flow now... :)
How does that work? I see it in the Write menu in Write mode, but I'm not having any success with it.
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by fratveno » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:48 am

How it works, in depht, is beyond me, but it should get rid of empty bars at the end of flows. I suppose it might have to do with the hairpin... could you try to remove that first?
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by Romanos401 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:11 pm

Is this one part of a larger multi-instrument score? It looks like you might be trying to delete from the flute --part-- in which case only the notes disappearing makes perfect sense. You cant have less bars in a part than in the master score. If you don't want those two measures, you'll have to delete them from the master score. (And sorry if I'm mistaken. If this score is for solo flute then that IS odd! :roll: )

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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by musicmaven » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:44 pm

Romanos401, you may be onto something.

Wouldn't a quick fix be to create a new flow, copy the music, paste into new flow, delete original flow?
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by GTBannah » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:08 pm

Romanos401 has a point. I was too sleepy to try it. I'll do so later this afternoon.

Thanx, Romanos401!
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by fratveno » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:19 pm

While I do think Romanos401 has pinpointed the problem, a lingering hairpin will indeed prevent the "empty" bar where the endpoint resides, from being deleted. Just tried it :)
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by musicmaven » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:35 pm

Here is more detailed info on what Frank is talking about:

viewtopic.php?f=246&t=115663
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by GTBannah » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:37 pm

musicmaven wrote:Here is more detailed info on what Frank is talking about:

viewtopic.php?f=246&t=115663
It's such a relief to know that I wasn't the only one.

Daniel, we need a ROFL Gremlin. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by GTBannah » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 am

fratveno wrote:While I do think Romanos401 has pinpointed the problem, a lingering hairpin will indeed prevent the "empty" bar where the endpoint resides, from being deleted. Just tried it :)
Yes; the hair pin was indeed the culprit.

On the other thread, I can see a poll coming up, to decide whether or not to allow deletion of bars in spite of hairpins or other content. I, like the impending pollster say, "Yes". We can easily replace a hairpin or whatever other items are there.

This is fun; and funny! :lol:
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by Romanos401 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:03 pm

I'm glad you were able to find the culprit (and that, strictly speaking, it wasn't a bug!)

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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by GTBannah » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:12 pm

Romanos401 wrote:I'm glad you were able to find the culprit (and that, strictly speaking, it wasn't a bug!)
Not a "bug", a "quirk". :)
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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by StefanF at Steinberg » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:02 pm

I agree, this is something several people have run into with 1.0.30 (even more if they 'shortened' some markings in engrave mode). We improved this for 1.1, so 'delete bars' at the end of a score will also shorten dynamics, gradual tempo markings, octave lines etc, which would currently prevent 'Trim Flow' from doing its thing.

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Re: Empty Bars (Again?)

Post by musicmaven » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:21 pm

"Tis a beautiful solution! :D
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