page size v. paper size

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page size v. paper size

Postby Mike 999 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:22 am

I have a song for voice and piano that involves 2 pages of music and want the music on two 8.5" x 11" pages side-by-side on one side of a piece of tabloid 11" x 17" paper (to form pages 2 & 3 of a "booklet"). The opposite side of the tabloid paper should be printed with pages 1 and 4, both of which contain text. In Setup mode I set the page size for the project to letter (8.5" x 11") because this is the format size of the individual pages. In Print mode I set the paper size to 11" x 17" (booklet) to provide for a folding booklet. My printer works fine with tabloid paper on other programs but the print results on this project give me huge text that is not formatted to either the letter or tabloid-sized page. Is there something I should be doing differently?
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby fratveno » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:07 am

Did you set the JOB TYPE to booklet...?
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby Mike 999 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:29 pm

Yes, the job is set to booklet.
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby dhbailey52 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:33 pm

Programs often seem to mess up the booklet printing -- Adobe Reader seems to get it right, though, so I print normally to a PDF file, then open Reader and use it's booklet printing capability. Works every time.
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby Mike 999 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:22 am

Thanks but I tried that, too, exporting a pdf to both Adobe Acrobat Reader and Apple's Preview app. The problem is somewhat improved in that the printout is at least formatted to fit tabloid-size paper but the margins are wrong and effectively push the music and text away from the center of the page, quite unlike the formatting in the Dorico document.
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby Daniel at Steinberg » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:18 am

You should find, Mike, that simply choosing 'Booklet' under Job Type and choosing 11" x 17" paper under Page Setup is sufficient. I print booklets from Dorico often (in fact I have just this morning printed 24 booklets on A3 paper for a service my choir will be leading tomorrow) and it works perfectly every time.
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby fratveno » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:53 am

In my experience some ink-jet printers introduce some margins of their own when printing A3 duplex automatically, which can result in the issue Mike 999 is experiencing. Although I don't know what printer is involved here, I had problems printing an A4 booklet (A3 paper) on the inkjet here at home just now, whereas the same file produced an A5 booklet (A4 paper) without problems on the same printer...
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby Mike 999 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:07 am

Daniel at Steinberg wrote:You should find, Mike, that simply choosing 'Booklet' under Job Type and choosing 11" x 17" paper under Page Setup is sufficient.


I am still having no luck. Daniel, are you referring to "Page Setup" in print mode or to the "Page Setup" category in Layout Options? In Layout Options, I started by selecting 8.5 x 11 (US Letter, portrait) "Page Size" as I want individual pages to be 8.5" x 11" in portrait orientation. Then, in Print Mode I chose a booklet job type and 11 x 17 paper size (landscape) in the right hand panel in order to get two pages on each side of the paper. Are these the correct settings? In any event, I also tried setting both "Page Setups" to 11" x 17" and that didn't work for me either.

Fratveno, the printer I am having problems with is a Canon PRO-100 series color laser printer that my wife uses successfully for artwork. This is my first project with that printer as I usually rely on a more compact black and white model that is limited to maximum 9" wide paper.
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby fratveno » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:22 pm

Does it print correctly if you select the output paper size 8.5 x 11 (landscape) ?
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Re: page size v. paper size

Postby Daniel at Steinberg » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:53 pm

You shouldn't need to set anything in the macOS Page Setup dialog: everything you need to change is on the right-hand side in Print mode. Make sure that you choose 11" x 17" paper under Page Setup, and choose 'Booklet' under Job Type. This should automatically choose the appropriate landscape page orientation in Page Setup, but you can check it there to make sure. Finally, under Duplex Printing, set the duplex options as appropriate: I would guess your printer has a duplexer, in which case you can choose 'Both sides automatically'. Now you should see in the print preview you should see two pages: the first should show page 4 on the left and page 1 on the right, and the second should show page 2 on the left and page 3 on the right. Click the Print button at the bottom right-hand corner of the panel (not the one on the left of the window in the OS Dialogs section) to initiate the print.
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