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tuplet tremolo

Post by mipi » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:25 am

Hi, working on one project, where tuplets will be write as tremolo. Is there such combination in Dorico possible? Of course I can write tremolo just on a quarter note and add each time "3" as an italic text, any way as Dorico pretend to be very complex and comprehensive program, would be great if a team would consider adding such kind of tremolo and tuplet "marriage" in a future as well:)
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Post by MarcLarcher » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:12 pm

Here's my rendition of it in Dorico, but I admit this was too much tweaking for such a result, and it won't play correctly, since I had to write a quarter instead of a dotted quarter and remove rests… Still, it looks as you wish !
The tweaking is just for the first element, the others were just replicated (r) and pitched afterwards.
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Here's the receipe : input a triplet of 8th notes. Change the first into a quarter note, and in the right panel, change it into a 8ths tremolo. Select the rest, remove it (edit menu). In Properties panel, choose not to show the bracket of the tuplet, and move the 3 with X and Y values, in order to have it right above the note as you wish. Select the whole thing and replicate !
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Re: tuplet tremolo

Post by mipi » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:18 pm

Thank you Marc, not a question - this is for sure possible to "draw" in Dorico. There is more a question/idea about a full future implementation: easy setup, right playback etc. Not a highest priority, but would be a great feature:)

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Post by LSalgueiro » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:49 pm

I'd like to pitch in this topic so the team looks at this at some point in the future. It would be indeed helpful (and in-line with the philosophy as I understand it) if Dorico would properly handle tremolo abbreviations: not only with tuplets but also articulations such as the two, three or four staccato dots that often appear in measured tremolos.

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Post by david-p » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:33 pm

I am sure that they will attend to this at some point. After all, it is implemented in Sibelius.

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Re: tuplet tremolo

Post by Sugar » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:07 pm

just to state the obvious, the notation in the example above is incorrect.

2 triplet eight notes = 1 triplet quarter note
3 triplet eight notes = 1 triplet dotted quarter note

so, assuming you want each note to be divided into three 8-note triplets, these should be dotted quarter notes with 3 above.

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Re: tuplet tremolo

Post by mipi » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:29 pm

4 dotted quarters would make 12/8 instead of 4/4 (or 8/8). Be sure - it is correct.

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Re: tuplet tremolo

Post by Sugar » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:37 pm

it's not 4 dotted quarters, it's 4 triplet dotted quarters, which is 4/4.

1 triplet dotted quarter = 1 quarter

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Re: tuplet tremolo

Post by Claude Lapalme » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:38 pm

There are examples using either types of notations. However, the notation in the example cited above is less common, and the "dotted" version is generally preferred. One would not accuse Bizet, in the following example, of not knowing how to count!
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Post by Sugar » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:49 pm

sometimes "less common" is a polite way of saying "incorrect",
and sometimes "incorrect" becomes a common practice ;)

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Post by Claude Lapalme » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:52 pm

Sugar wrote:sometimes "less common" is a polite way of saying "incorrect",
and sometimes "incorrect" becomes a common practice ;)
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