Cue note workarounds

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Cue note workarounds

Post by Cor anglais 16 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:21 pm

I'm about to embark on a project that could benefit from cue notes (Schütz Uppsala Magnificat). Since they're not expected in the v1.1 update, has anyone yet developed a decent work-around that will allow my singers/instrumentalists to see strategic cues from the other parts? Presumably copy/pasting the necessary cues, but then maybe coloring them gray (if that would show up in print), or bracketing them with large bracket symbols... what has worked for you so far?

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Post by fratveno » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:49 pm

No really good workaround, but Dorico comes with 2 varieties of default noteheads, named default and default (large) (Edit/Notehead/Default...) The Default large ones are used by default, and when changed to Default you come closer to a cue(ish) note size. If one could resize the rests as well, it would be even better. Not suitable for publication, but in a rehearsal situation, certainly better than nothing...
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Post by mati » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:04 am

No workaround, I'm afraid, in my experience at least.

Just finished to engrave the second new work with Dorico, and both absolutely needed cue notes.
I made them with the technique that fratveno suggests, but the smaller headnote size is not so small and rests and dynamics don't help.

The pieces were kind of quite complex contemporary music, with not so much time to rehearse.
In short, players complained in both of cases; the cue notation was not clear for them and confused.

I really hope will be the next 'big thing' Dorico's team will address after the 1.1.

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Post by fratveno » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:19 am

mati wrote:I really hope will be the next 'big thing' Dorico's team will address after the 1.1.
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Re: Cue note workarounds

Post by Romanos401 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:11 pm

That, and stemless noteheads.

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Post by lbuckley » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:22 pm

This is my method, posted on a different thread concerning the same subject:
I'm not at home right now, so I can't include a screenie to show you what it looks like, but I've been using one of the diamond-shape note heads to approximate cues, and of course I add text to show which instrument is being cued. Even though I haven't found a way to put the normal rest in to show it's just a cue and shouldn't be played, I find that it "intuits" quickly and easily from a player's perspective.
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Post by Peadey » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:07 am

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Hope cue notes will come soon...

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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:59 pm

We have already said (many times!) that we are working on cues for the next large update, along with unpitched percussion. If our plans come off as I hope they will, you will feel that it was worth the wait.

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Post by batwell » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:19 pm

Hi Daniel, I know that you can't be specific but I am starting into the final phase of a fairly major commission that will absolutely require cue notes and has a deadline of early December. How confident (or not) do you feel that cue notes will be available by say October? I would much prefer to finish this project in Dorico but if cues won't be available in time I will need to switch to Sibelius to finish it. I would rather make that decision as early as possible. Any guidance you could provide will be much appreciated.

Thanks, Bob Atwell

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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 pm

I'd be pretty confident about it, but I can't make any promises.

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Post by Rebecca Louise » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:47 am

Ditto to the need for cue notes asap, thanks!

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Re: Cue note workarounds

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:14 am

We are working on cues right now. This will include not only the ability to create cues simply and easily, but also the ability to change the size of (practically) any item in the score, so you'll be able to do all sorts of fun things with those capabilities. To be clear: these features are not coming in the forthcoming minor update, but in the next larger update, which is still a way off.

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Post by UMahnken » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:48 am

Daniel at Steinberg wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:14 am
... but also the ability to change the size of (practically) any item in the score ...
This are really very good news :-)

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Post by MarcLarcher » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:57 am

Extremely good news :-)
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Post by R Pearl » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:08 pm

Great to hear. As much as we want these new items, take your time and get it right! Too many other programs (naming no names) rush the "fix" out the door, only to break something else in the process.

We'll look forward to new functions, and the old ones still operational.

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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:54 pm

Although we are going as fast as we can, we can go no faster...

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Re: Cue note workarounds

Post by JulianBennettHolmes » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:47 pm

Daniel at Steinberg wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 pm
I'd be pretty confident about it, but I can't make any promises.
That would be fantastic. I'm working on an orchestral project now that would have parts due at the end of November, and I'm really dreading taking the whole thing back into Finale to make parts. If Dorico has the capability to do cues by October, I will be extremely happy.
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