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Note spacing

Post by Alain Rieder » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:42 am

I write mostly drum set stuff, and as I am about to decide to buy the crossgrade (although Dorico isn't ready for me yet) I'm wondering if this example written with Sibelius would look more elegant in Dorico.

Yes I want to keep four bars per system, if possible, for educational reasons.
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Re: Note spacing

Post by Rob Tuley » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:22 pm

AFAIK proper support for percussion notation is planned for the next-but-one release (NOT in the Version 1.1 release "before the end of June").

I don't think you will be able to do this in a practical way before then.

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Post by fratveno » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:36 pm

Here's how Dorico spaces it. Except that the staff size has been reduced to better accomodate 4 bars per line, and the beaming set to break on beats, it's all default placement. Note that you cannot use the percussion clef as that will currently force all notes to the middle staff line. You can use an invisible clef though, and, paste the percussion clef as music text.
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Re: Note spacing

Post by Rob Tuley » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:46 pm

fratveno wrote:Here's how Dorico spaces it.
If you use Dorico enough, you soon "forget" how horrible things used to look in your previous notation software 8-)

OK, I just learned that you can work round most of the percussion notation limitations (I hardly ever use it, except in occasional orchestra scores), but percussion playback doesn't work at all, if that matters to you.

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Re: Note spacing

Post by Alain Rieder » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:23 pm

Rob Tuley wrote:AFAIK proper support for percussion notation is planned for the next-but-one release (NOT in the Version 1.1 release "before the end of June").

I don't think you will be able to do this in a practical way before then.
Yes I know, Rob, but thanks anyway!

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Re: Note spacing

Post by Alain Rieder » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:01 pm

fratveno wrote:Here's how Dorico spaces it. Except that the staff size has been reduced to better accomodate 4 bars per line, and the beaming set to break on beats, it's all default placement. Note that you cannot use the percussion clef as that will currently force all notes to the middle staff line. You can use an invisible clef though, and, paste the percussion clef as music text.
Thanks for taking the time to rewrite it, to show me. It looks better by the way. I think I could also make it look better in Sibelius with smaller sizes, andI'll try again.

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Re: Note spacing

Post by Alain Rieder » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:05 pm

Rob Tuley wrote:
fratveno wrote:
If you use Dorico enough, you soon "forget" how horrible things used to look in your previous notation software 8-)
OK, I just learned that you can work round most of the percussion notation limitations (I hardly ever use it, except in occasional orchestra scores), but percussion playback doesn't work at all, if that matters to you.
I think I will buy Dorico anyway, before the deadline.

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Re: Note spacing

Post by Derrek » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:49 pm

Given the learning curve for Dorico's distinct modus operandi, I am a great believer in buying Dorico early (if one can afford to) and learning to use it (as each upgrade is released) while one continues to use one's current notation software until one can justify switching over "completely."
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Re: Note spacing and drum kit notation

Post by paulthompson » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:15 pm

I'm really excited about version 1.1 as it solves most of my ongoing problems - except drum notation.
Can you tell me how to paste in a percussion clef as music text?
I've published several string pieces in Dorico, and if this workaround is easier than my current way of notating drums in Dorico, I think I can finally make the jump completely to Dorico.

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Re: Note spacing

Post by Derrek » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:17 pm

To use text for a Perc Clef:
  • Use the Invisible Clef in the Uncommon Clef section.
  • Use SHIFT-X to call up the Text Tool.
  • Insert the Perc Clef character (I had to search for it in Windows's Character Map; there are probably easier ways.)
  • Highlight the character and set the font size to 18 points.
  • In Engrave mode, drag the clef into position. You will have to make further spacing adjustments where a time signature appears at the start of a line.
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Re: Note spacing

Post by fratveno » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:40 pm

If one needs this a lot, it's worth "hacking" the percussion clef definition in the scorelibrary.xml file ... (which will work for new projects)
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Re: Note spacing

Post by Derrek » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:48 pm

Would that have something to do with making it "pitched" ?
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Re: Note spacing

Post by fratveno » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:39 pm

"true" :) ( + adjust the other relevant parameters according to whether you want to mimic a treble or bass clef)
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Re: Note spacing

Post by jeroenvv » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:42 pm

Is there a way to make this work in an existing (quite large :-|) project?

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Re: Note spacing

Post by Derrek » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:02 pm

If you redefine one of the percussion clefs in scorelibrary.xml, it ought to work for all your projects. I think it will put notes previously entered on different pitches on different lines/spaces, but I am not sure.
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Re: Note spacing

Post by jeroenvv » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:12 am

I made it work not by altering the existing percussion clef, but by adding a new percussion clef with changed properties.

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