Players not appearing in score

Hi, Daniel,

You’re right—this is a smaller version, because I gave up on the Eb parts and did them in a separate project. But this one demonstrates the problem.

You mention that the project I sent you contains “only the three clarinets.” It should be showing, in Setup Mode, 3 Bb clarinets, a bass clarinet, and a part called Bass, which is a standard double bass. Of those five parts, only the first four appear in the score.

That’s the problem—ANY part that I try to add fails to appear in the score, even though in Setup Mode, it’s checked off as being part of the score layout. I’m assuming that if you, in looking at this, try to add parts to the project, they also will not appear in the score.

Per my edit to my post above, this has only happened to me once, in this musicxml import. At this point, I’m prepared to accept that that’s the answer; there’s a bug in the original xml export out of Finale (I was able to run that down—it was Finale, not Sibelius) or in the import process into Dorico. My larger concern was that I was missing something in the way I was adding parts.

As far as I can see, the Bass is not assigned to a flow.

In Setup Mode open the Flows panel at the bottom. Select your flow “GRINCH”. Then check the “Bass” in the Players Section at the left.

The Bass will appear in your score and as a part.

Thomas

Well, for crying out loud. That fixed it; I had no idea you had to have the flow selected to add voices to the score.

fkretlow, you noticed they weren’t connected, but I didn’t follow up on that because I didn’t really know what to do about it.

Anyway, THANKS, Thomas, and for everyone else who took a look at this.

Lew

Well, you don’t add voices to the SCORE. You add them to individual flows. The flows don’t all have to contain the same voices!

(Actually “voices” is the wrong word - you mean “players”, but never mind!)

Yep, you’re right, Rob. I went into it with the wrong mindset, and it screwed me up.

On the other hand, my first reaction to finding out what a simple fix it was was to think that I’d never have had to go through all that if we had a step-by-step manual…

I know it’s being written, and it can’t get here a day too soon.

Well, I hope it isn’t only a “step by step” manual. Documentation like “How to save a file: in the File menu, select the Save option” is easy to write, but if people can’t figure that out for themselves, maybe the program isn’t aimed at them! (That’s not meant as a personal criticism of anyone, of course.)

What we really need is the concepts explained well - then the “step by step” procedures are usually fairly obvious.

I get what you’re saying, Rob, and I don’t disagree. But there’s an important difference between understanding basic OS tasks and understanding application tasks. I wasted all this time because I didn’t know a flow had to be selected before I could make a voice appear in the score; and though it’s true that you add players to flows to make voices appear in scores, making a voice appear in a score was my end goal, my frame of reference, and the wording I’d be searching for in a manual.

The very basic step, “Click on a flow to select it, then click the checkboxes of the players…[etc]” is in fact what I needed to see somewhere.

And to be clear, I still accept the possibility that I should have picked this up by now. But even after using Sibelius nearly daily for 12 years, I still had to pull out the pdf manual occasionally just to remember how to do some basic task I’d done many times before, but not lately. Sometimes “Select the item whatsit in the whozit menu”, basic though that might be, is exactly what I need. And despite my advanced years, I daresay I’m not the only one. :slight_smile:

It also works the other way around. Click on a player to select it, then click the checkboxes of the flows. Likewise with all the combinations of layouts and players and flows. Beautifully simple, once you get the hang of it!

Yes, for sure. Once you guys clued me in, I started experimenting, and you’re right—“beautifully simple” describes it perfectly.

I am pretty sure the behaviour of Setup mode is well explained in some Dorico’s video… :wink:

Well… yes and no. I just spent an hour running down the same problem. Now that I know, it’s easy. I just re-watched the “how to work in setup mode” video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOuSFc7TF8M

In the video, new parts are automatically attached to a flow. But who would notice this if you weren’t looking for it? The video, helpful as it is, doesn’t explain this vital connection of players to flow.

For some reason the score I’m working on doesn’t attach new parts to a flow by default. (it is an imported xml) Yet if I create a new project, new players are automatically connected. Again - simple now. Regret spending an hour looking for this solution on the heels of spending several hours trying to get default page sizes set to US Letter only to realize it ain’t gonna happen.

But I’m invested in Dorico, love the product it promises to be. Just had to get my rant out there.

Hi you guys,

I’m facing a similar problem and can’t seem to fix it despite all the valuable advice in this thread and in the video linked above. I have only one flow in my project and cannot get to the Flute 1 part in that flow- the music has been created, the player seems to be linked to the flow, but no Flute 1 part. Could you please help?
Thanks in advance!


Not sure how, but you deleted the Flute 1 layout somehow. Click at the bottom of the layouts panel to create a new part layout, and check the FLute 1 player box to assign the Flute 1 to that layout.

As always, you saved me, Dan. Thanks!

OMG, I’ve literally just spent around 3 hours trying everything I can think of, reading through the manual to get a player to show up. You’ve explained what I could not figure out - just a simple checkbox gets my invisible player onto the playing field?!! Unbelievable.

Something needs addressing here. If I import MIDI parts, it’s not automatically added to the full score, or at least not how I just did it. Frustrating.

Just knowing that one checkbox was all I needed would have saved me time and saved my poor hair!

Sorry to hear you had a frustrating experience. I think the UI regarding flows, layouts, and players is brilliant actually, and not cryptic.

If you’re stuck, don’t hesitate to ask on the forum next time. You’ll get a reply in short order!

For the record, XML imports are a little similar. Newly-added players don’t get assigned to the imported flow automatically. Tripped me up at first.

I totally agree with Mobius. I just wasted an hour trying to figure this out. I added my players to my layout (choir+piano), but had no idea they also separately had to be added to the flow. Shouldn’t we at least get a UI differentiation in the player’s card if it’s not assigned to any flow?

The UI differentiation is that when you select an unassigned player, nothing else lights up; just as when you select an flow with no players, or an unused layout, nothing else lights up.

Welcome to the forum, USHLT. As I replied to Moibus, please ask here or on the FB Dorico group if you’re stuck. Quite a few users are very active here, as well as the Dorico team themselves. This really is one of the most active user forums that I know of.

I hate to see fellow users waste time on issues that we could help them with.

Thanks, it just takes a while to figure out what and how to ask. The mindset for Dorico is quite different from Sibelius (mostly in a good way).