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Can you load stream deck profiles into the app?

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I'm pretty sure I read that the ios version works on the iPad as well as on the iPhone. But who wants to pay a monthly fee for that?
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MarcLarcher wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 4:58 pm
I'm pretty sure I read that the ios version works on the iPad as well as on the iPhone. But who wants to pay a monthly fee for that?
My thoughts exactly.

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There are other midi-trigger/key-trigger apps out there that you can customize. The names escape me at the moment, but the moral of the story is you certainly don't need StreamDeck software to do this type of thing with your phone or iPad. Most of those apps are 1time fee if I recall. Hopefully someone will fill in where my memory fails.

Also, I'd suggest using Duet for anyone with an iPad that would like to do a second display quickly and easily. It's seamless and easy as could be. Quite literally plug and play once you have the apps installed. This might be a great way to keep the mixer or a different mode open off to the side to minimize switching between modes.
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I don't mind a £3 pound monthly subscription..
Definitely worth it if it loads profiles that can also be loaded into stream deck. Does anyone know if it does?

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steveparker wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:56 pm
I don't mind a £3 pound monthly subscription..
Definitely worth it if it loads profiles that can also be loaded into stream deck. Does anyone know if it does?
I can't see the point unless the iOS Stream Deck loads the same profiles that you use with a (hardware) Stream Deck. If you subscribe for a month and find it useful, you can save money by subscribing annually.

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That's exactly what I'm asking, if it loads the same ones?

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The Stream Deck Mobile app can load the same profiles - but you have to set it up to do so.

I tested it briefly on an iPad this morning. It took two attempts to get it to sign onto the network.

If you don't maximise it (i.e. fill the screen) the buttons are about 20% larger in size on an iPad than than the buttons on a Stream Deck. In this resolution the icons look sharp and, to my mind, better and more informative than when they're on the Stream Deck - that's purely down to size. If you do maximise it, the display stretches to top, bottom and left edges but not completely to the right edge; some space is reserved for a setup button. It looks a bit weird not being centralised and the icons lose resolution when they're stretched out to this size. It occurs to me that the new XL Stream Deck would look pretty good on an ipad in unamximised resolution although there would be a fair bit of space top and bottom. I can't see an XL layout working on an iPhone.

I loaded two profiles: my own default setup and Notation Express. Everything seemed to work OK, I didn't have any issues with responsiveness. I tested it briefly with Dorico and everything I tested happened as expected.

BUT

I did have a problem with automatic switching between profiles. On OSX, Stream Deck automatically changes profiles as you switch programs. So, for example, if I switch to Dorico, Notation Express loads automatically on my Stream Deck. The first thing I noticed was that that didn't happen on the iPad. I had to manually change profiles - not good. But worse was to come. When I went back to OSX, the setup there had changed too and I now had to manually change profiles there as well. I don't think I did anything I shouldn't have done during the setup process so I can only assume this is either a bug or something that's yet to be addressed in the software now that iPads and iPhones are linked.

I really only did this to test it. I've since uninstalled it and after a bit of faffing about have my Stream Deck back to working the way it was.

Final thought: although I'm not a fan of subscription services, I don't think the charge is bad value (certainly not when one considers the cost of the unit) and if they sort out the profile switching issue it's a very reasonable alternative. You lose the touch and feel aspect of the buttons but, to my mind, the display is better. That said, I'm sticking with my Stream Deck.
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Thanks for this reply David. I've yet to get into Stream Deck but it's coming. The iPad version will suit me to play with it and will also be useful tour buses etc. Altogether I have £50 or £60 a month going out for music related subscriptions. To me this is a good set and forget way of keeping up to date.

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Thanks David and others here for the nice words about Notation Express. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Kudos to Leo who planned and programmed the Dorico version so thoughtfully!

Notation Express and other Stream Deck profiles work "out-of-the-box" with the Stream Deck Mobile iOS app, and you can indeed have both a console and an iPhone/iPad, or one or the other. Nevertheless, I've tweaked Notation Express a bit so it displays even better on the iPhone (folder graphics in particular). I've also made all the versions (Sibelius & Dorico, Windows & Mac) proper installers so you don't have to manually copy anything into a library folder (more of an issue with Sibelius where a dozen or so plug-ins are required).

If you already purchased Notation Express you'll have received a notification update. More also in today's Scoring Notes blog post:

https://www.scoringnotes.com/meta/notat ... ow-on-ios/

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Does Notation Express work on the new 32-button StreamDeck XL?

Does Notation Express use all 32 of the buttons by default, or is that something the user sets up for himself?
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Does it matter whether you buy mac or windows Notation Express to also use it with an iPad?

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cparmerlee wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 2:36 pm
Does Notation Express work on the new 32-button StreamDeck XL?

Does Notation Express use all 32 of the buttons by default, or is that something the user sets up for himself?
Speculative, since no one owns one yet (they're shipping soon), but I would imagine the existing profile would only populate 15 of the 32 buttons. Leo mentioned they're looking into a modified profile.
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steveparker wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 2:40 pm
Does it matter whether you buy mac or windows Notation Express to also use it with an iPad?
Yes. Buy the version that corresponds to your PC. In other words, if you run Dorico on Windows, buy Notation Express for Dorico - Windows.

The iPad will work with both Mac and Windows.

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dankreider wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 2:42 pm
cparmerlee wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 2:36 pm
Does Notation Express work on the new 32-button StreamDeck XL?

Does Notation Express use all 32 of the buttons by default, or is that something the user sets up for himself?
Speculative, since no one owns one yet (they're shipping soon), but I would imagine the existing profile would only populate 15 of the 32 buttons. Leo mentioned they're looking into a modified profile.
I'll report back once mine arrives :-)

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steveparker wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:56 pm
I don't mind a £3 pound monthly subscription..
Definitely worth it if it loads profiles that can also be loaded into stream deck. Does anyone know if it does?
In case this wasn't clearly answered before - yes, absolutely. You set up your iPhone/iPad as another "Stream Deck" and you can either copy a profile over within the desktop app or install it the usual way (double-clicking in the Finder/File Explorer or importing).
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Brilliant! Thanks for replies.

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The iPhone version for a couple bucks a month is a nice way to try out the concept before purchasing a real unit, but I would probably like a real unit also. An iPad version with more buttons could be interesting though..
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Proof of concept: Notation Express running on iPad, iPhone, and Stream Deck all simultaenously. It's Sibelius, but you get the idea…

https://youtu.be/xeKkSilT_o4

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Philip, that is pretty awesome.

I succumbed and placed a preorder for the larger unit. I'll likely repurpose my smaller unit at home. I have a perfect spot on the edge of my keyboard to perch these devices and I think the larger one will be perfect. I also just purchased keyboard maestro to try and up my game even further.
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A quick idea for anyone who is tweaking the Notation Express profile to your own usage patterns:

I coded in a "hotkey switch" to toggle between write and engrave modes. You can code cmd+3 and cmd+2 in the two slots and it will just switch between those two modes ad nauseum. I find it more useful (and quicker) than the dedicated mode buttons since I spend 99% of my time swapping between those two modes.
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I just added some icons for transport controls. You can see “F play” and “P play,” which are for “play from start of flow” and “play from start of project,” respectively.

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Romanos401 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:13 pm
A quick idea for anyone who is tweaking the Notation Express profile to your own usage patterns:

I coded in a "hotkey switch" to toggle between write and engrave modes. You can code cmd+3 and cmd+2 in the two slots and it will just switch between those two modes ad nauseum. I find it more useful (and quicker) than the dedicated mode buttons since I spend 99% of my time swapping between those two modes.
Great idea!

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(Not as if this would somehow be my "intellectual property"...) but if you push out an update in the future feel free to use this idea. I'm likely going to put that toggle on every screen I have for Dorico. It's very useful.
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Romanos401 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:47 pm
(Not as if this would somehow be my "intellectual property"...) but if you push out an update in the future feel free to use this idea. I'm likely going to put that toggle on every screen I have for Dorico. It's very useful.
Maybe on Notation Express XL :lol:

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