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Does dorico allow for 2 midi keyboards to be used simultaneously, one for note input and one for midi key commands? I couldn't find the settings in the key commands preferences.

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Dorico happily accepts input from multiple keyboards (or other MIDI transmitting devices) but does not distinguish the devices.
So you can't have from one keyboard a key as e.g. C4 note input and the same key from a second keyboard as a key command.
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Hrmm. So a workaround could be to drop the second midi keyboard by a couple of octaves and only use notes 0 to 20 as key commands to avoid overlaps...this is a bit workaroundy. Ok, what about this for an idea that might not take tooooo much effort to implement (you must love it when people who have no idea say things like that!)...

What about when hitting midi learn in the key commands, the midi channel is learnt as well as the note? In that way, you could easily have 2 keyboards that won't conflict? And maybe, this wouldn't be too crazy to implement? Because dorico can maybe already see the channel coming in and the midi learn code is already implemented?

Just thoughts guys. Cheers!

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We have plans to allow you to specify which MIDI device should be used for input and which for shortcuts etc. in future versions.

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Oh great. Thanks Daniel.

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Great!
When recording realtime into piano staves, an option to choose separate devices for left and right hand would also be welcome.
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Never thought of that. Would speed things up immensely!

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AndreasB wrote:
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Great!
When recording realtime into piano staves, an option to choose separate devices for left and right hand would also be welcome.
You just need a better keyboard:

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:lol:

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:o :lol:
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Pretty obscene, Ben! ;)
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would this one be acceptable?

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alternatively this one:
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Organ porn!
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I remember Paul W saying they were considering a “smart” split point feature. Hopefully that’s in the works. A much better solution!
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Yes, but for five and six-handed keyboardists, one of the options pictured above might be even better. :mrgreen:
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There've been a few...
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FWIW, I actually do compose at my 3m organ at home sometimes. I have Hauptwerk loaded up, doodle around, and as soon as I'm ready, hit enter and begin entering my notes. My console even sends the correct octave from the pedalboard so I can directly pedal into Dorico. It's a delight. I keep a second monitor on top of my organ console and drag my Dorico window there and play away.
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k_b wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:36 pm
would this one be acceptable?
Nope. Proper drawstop knobs survive centuries of maltreatment. Those little plastic stop tabs break if you even look at them the wrong way.

The plastic rocker switches in Romanos's picture are usually more durable, but still fiddly to operate.

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Well, that is perhaps true of my organ, but the wannamaker... that's another story. (It's about 7 stories, lol.) It's a fascinating console... The size of a car, and yet, it is conspicuously ergonomic as it was designed for a short woman. Legend has it she would use a rolled up magazine to swipe the top row of stops. I could reach everything fine, although getting used to the 9 swell pedals would be another story...

EDIT: Rob, I agree, fwiw. Our church is considering purchasing a new toaster :x. I specifically told the pastor as we were reviewing bids that I wanted the upgrade to stop knobs. You interact with them differently too. I've had mishaps with tabs in live performance; you swat at one and think its off but in reality it didn't disengage. That's practically impossible with knobs.
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Nice, Romanos! Our 2m organ isn't set up in a spot to be able to use it with Dorico. BTW, do you have a favourite sample set? My wife is particularly fond of her Silbermann and her Cavaille-Coll from Milan.
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The Portland Rosales is my work-horse (but it's too dry to make nice "performance" tracks, but GREAT for practice with the perspective shifted to dry; also it's stoplist very closely mirrors my physical console so I created new stop faces for my organ so I can operate completely without interacting with HW at all).

I use the Laurenskirk Trancept (wet) from time to time... (the great 8' principal is pure velvety perfection, although other bits and bobs aren't polished) and, perhaps somewhat curiously, I use the Menesterol moist set a lot. It's not on many people's radar, I think, because it's tiny and a bit odd, but it is perfect for running on my small office rig at work; I use it to make practice recordings for my choir and I use the SW flutes in a portable "continuo" rig with my choir from time to time. I've also used the Mietke haprsichord as continuo with my choir too. In fact, I will be doing that this coming weekend as we are singing Handel.

I've been drooling over the Arlmey for a while, and I'd love to get the main Rotterdam set too, but $$$. sigh. And now that HW is going to be updating to V, I'm waiting with bated breath to see what actually unfolds. I'm hoping the demos of HWV's built in reverb will be enough to make the Rosales really sing.
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Romanos401 wrote:
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...And now that HW is going to be updating to V, I'm waiting with bated breath to see what actually unfolds. I'm hoping the demos of HWV's built in reverb will be enough to make the Rosales really sing.
Yes, I saw this on their site, as well. I'm curious what they're planning. Your setup looks delicious!
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Here's me preparing to sit down in my studio and compose using my organ. It's a classic.
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