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Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:33 am
by USHLT
New at Dorico (been waiting since v1 until Dorico was good enough to jump ship from my once-beloved but now lagging Sibelius - 3.0 finally was good enough!). For piano parts, I'm used to using pedal lines to approximate a piano's sustain, then just hiding them. Apparently not possible in Dorico, how should this be done? I only care about approximating the performance, not actually notating every pedal change in the piece.

On a related note, harp doesn't seem to sustain at all?

thx,
Stephen

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:41 am
by dankreider
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When you hide the pedal line completely, you get a signpost that can be selected as needed. You can filter-select all pedal lines and hide them this way in one fell swoop.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 pm
by Daniel at Steinberg
If you don't want to manually hide pedal lines using the Properties panel, another option is to simply write in the pedal instructions using data in the MIDI controller lane in Play mode, assigning values to controller 64 as you find necessary.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:03 pm
by Craig F
Daniel at Steinberg wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 pm
If you don't want to manually hide pedal lines using the Properties panel, another option is to simply write in the pedal instructions using data in the MIDI controller lane in Play mode, assigning values to controller 64 as you find necessary.
Ooo, neat trick. Thanks for that. I use hidden pedal lines to simulate an arpeggiation effect on Plucked Strings.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:51 am
by USHLT
Thanks Dan and Daniel! I saw the continuation type of None, but it still left "Ped". Didn't see a "None" option for sign appearance. Not sure what "hook" means. I'll have to play around with the MIDI version as well, but using pedal lines is probably the easier to manage.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:18 am
by dankreider
“Hook” just refers to what sort of preliminary material you want to display: the pedal glyph and all its variants. In this case, “hook” means you just want the line by itself. But of course it’s already been hidden, so the result is Nemo.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:21 am
by pianoleo
I'm wondering if USHLT is referring to the Ped glyph that will appear on the next system, should the pedal line cross from one system to another. If that's the case, the only real workaround is to select that sign in Engrave mode and drag it off the page.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:03 am
by USHLT
Kinda weird behavior doing it this way. There's no signpost shown. But in the "View->Signposts" menu, there's an entry for Pedal Lines. So how do you ever get pedal line signposts?

Also can't seem to select them at all once they're hidden (selecting both piano staves through the entire flow and then filter->pedal lines shows only "Common" in the properties) unless I do a Select All on the entire score and then Filter->Pedal Lines.

I can work with it, but seems like there should be another way.

pianoleo - hadn't noticed that :-) generally my pedal lines for playback are less than a measure, though.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:06 am
by dankreider
Not sure what you're doing wrong, but wait for it...

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Do you have Pedal Lines checked in the signposts menu?

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:13 am
by USHLT
Ah, the signposts are above the very top staff (flute). Had not expected that. :-)

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:19 am
by dankreider
USHLT wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:13 am
Ah, the signposts are above the very top staff (flute). Had not expected that. :-)
I agree that doesn’t seem intuitive. On the other hand, the signposts can really clutter up the score if they’re between staves.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:54 pm
by GregS
Just FYI, as a new user, this is one of the very first things I tried to do - *record* MIDI pedal data, but not show it in the score. I was very surprised not to be able to do this very easily, like an option to toggle pedal lines display on & off in the layout options.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:57 pm
by Daniel at Steinberg
You can choose whether or not to create pedal lines from the pedal data you play when recording on the Play page of Preferences. If you switch off 'Import CC64 as pedal lines', then the sustain pedal data will still be recorded, but will not appear in the score itself as pedal lines, but instead be limited to the automation lane in Play mode.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:01 pm
by GregS
Ah - thankyou! And if I turn that setting back on, it will then display the pedal lines for pre-existing pedal data - yes?

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:03 pm
by Daniel at Steinberg
No, in fact it won't work that way; it's not dynamic.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:05 pm
by GregS
Bugger. Close, but not what I want.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:12 pm
by GregS
Although, that setting will still be useful. I'll record the pedal, so it plays back using my pedalling, but doesn't display. When I'm done, I'll simply score the pedal with whatever symbol means "use the pedal as you see fit" - it'll suffice for my basic stuff, when I think about it.

Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:41 pm
by dankreider
GregS wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:12 pm
Although, that setting will still be useful. I'll record the pedal, so it plays back using my pedalling, but doesn't display. When I'm done, I'll simply score the pedal with whatever symbol means "use the pedal as you see fit" - it'll suffice for my basic stuff, when I think about it.
"Pedal ad lib." Or don't write anything, maybe just "legato." Most pianists don't want to be told how and when to pedal unless it's compositionally significant.