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Re: 9.0.20 experience so far?

Post by planarchist » Tue May 02, 2017 6:02 pm

xanthos84 wrote:I got HUGE cpu spikes when playing the keyboard on synths - which I dont get with the IDENTICAL system and settings under Cubase 8.5
So there seems to be something wrong.. but I guess no one can help here. So I have to stay with 8.5
You're more likely to get someone to chime in with some suggestions if you start a new post detailing the problem(s) you're having. Better still if it's titled something like "Huge CPU Spikes with Cubase 9.0.20".....
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Post by jssi.net » Tue May 02, 2017 6:37 pm

For me it seems to be working smoothly. Have not had any dropouts since 9.0.20 installed. Thanks to Fabio and the rest for making this better!
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Post by Guvnor513 » Tue May 02, 2017 7:20 pm

Has anyone had a problem with mixdown in 9.0.2? I tried to mix down a couple of files this morning and they were playing back faster than the recorded versions. Has anyone else seen this? How do I fix it or go back to 9.01?
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Post by Grim » Tue May 02, 2017 7:45 pm

I'd guess you have an incorrect sample rate set somewhere.
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Post by Guvnor513 » Tue May 02, 2017 7:54 pm

That's what I immediately thought but I've never had the issue before, and I made sure to match it for the MP3 mix down. It did the same thing for wavs.
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Post by SledDriver » Tue May 02, 2017 8:01 pm

My 9.0.20 ran fine with a few test projects, but as soon as I hit it was some large heavy VST samplers and effects it started to stutter badly.

I actually thought it was going to be good for a while, and felt encouraged, but when I settled down to real work with a multitrack project and lots of VSTs, it was frankly unusable.

Back to 9.0.10 for me until I hear their announcement of the bad build they just threw at us. It's almost as if someone included the wrong software module build number in the current version - and yet I have seen that done in a pro product before. Another company fixed a load of bugs then released a version which included the unfixed modules. And I pestered them for 6 months before they saw their mistake!
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Post by Grim » Tue May 02, 2017 8:10 pm

Guvnor513 wrote:That's what I immediately thought but I've never had the issue before, and I made sure to match it for the MP3 mix down. It did the same thing for wavs.
Can you be more specific about what you made sure matched?
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Post by Guvnor513 » Tue May 02, 2017 8:23 pm

Oh sorry, the sample rate of the project and the MP3 sample rate in the mix down dialog.
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Post by Grim » Tue May 02, 2017 8:35 pm

OK....could you also make sure the project setup and your interface setup is matching before you run an export.

And to confirm have you actually played the project before mixdown to check it sounds OK?

And finally, please re-import the mixdown into the same Cubase project and check it there to rule out something with the player software.
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Post by Guvnor513 » Tue May 02, 2017 8:58 pm

The project plays fine prior to mix down. I will check the other two suggestions this evening. Thank you for your time.
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Post by chrisdmcc » Tue May 02, 2017 9:13 pm

For some reason every project I have now is zoomed out to the max in the mix window. Pain in the buttock to zoom back out.

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Post by jimmys69 » Tue May 02, 2017 9:45 pm

What seems to be happening is that so many users use such a variety of computers/components. Some work flawlessly, and some don't. I do wish Steinberg would find a way to address this without ignoring that it is an issue.

If you had a problem with Steinberg UR series interfaces you would know what it is to be completely ignored. The issue there is though, that some mobo's just don't like the drivers. Who's fault is that? Well, the manufacturer likely and the software developer but think for a moment about what it would take to test every combination of PC setup...Every component and their drivers as a variable? Not even a possibility in reality. And as far as relations with Mac, good luck there. That seems to be a brick wall at times. We don't even have a video engine yet thanks to Apple. I digress..

That being said, my system (knock on wood) has been working mostly flawless since 8.5. I realize that is not the case for all users but take the fact that some of the issues may be on your end. Not Cubase as a program. But without help from Steinberg, I solved my UR824 driver issue by replacing my mobo. Not everyone has that ability. It would be nice if there was at the very least more communication from Steinberg as to what is being done about the issues so many have. Maybe just a 'Hi we are looking into this'...

Yes there are bugs. But as far as performance and GUI sluggishness, dropouts, and performance.. that is likely the system Cubase is running on that is the issue.

Trust that I am in no way defending Steinberg support. In fact I am not satisfied with some of the support I have received.

But I will say that Cubase 9 has so far been flawless for me since it was introduced. I have nothing to complain about and I use it daily. It is individual system performance that seems to be the cause of most issues.

Not blaming anyone, just stating my opinion.
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Post by chrisdmcc » Tue May 02, 2017 11:13 pm

Tempo detection still doesn't work and crashes the project. I'm back to 8.5 which works perfectly. That's pretty poor - a previous version that does something the new version cannot? What's the incentive to buy? I am getting pretty close to going back to Pro Tools which annoys me as I don't really like it but I've not had issues on that which really affect my projects the way i have on Cubase 9.

This whole release feels slapdash and for the sake of it.

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Post by James K » Wed May 03, 2017 6:58 am

I've tried all os operating systems from mountain lion forward with C9.2 and found that for my 2011 imac Mavericks offers the smoothest GUI experience. Play head still staggers but super fast and fluid otherwise.
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Post by Jim B » Wed May 03, 2017 8:53 am

Hi all,

I've had some crashes when opening various third party plugs ( Waves guitar fx mainly) and all I did was reinstall the plug ins, hey presto, crashes stop.

Apart from that, no problems here with latest version.

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Post by Nickeldome » Wed May 03, 2017 8:59 am

jimmys69 wrote:What seems to be happening is that so many users use such a variety of computers/components. Some work flawlessly, and some don't. I do wish Steinberg would find a way to address this without ignoring that it is an issue.
I think this is the problem exactly. There are so many different computers and configurations possible that it's hard to predict how computer A will perform as apposed to B. And when it comes to installed software there's even more possibilities. I think if you start working with DAW software and in particular with Cubase you must be prepared to put in some (!?) hours optimizing your system and make sure you don't have any software/plugins installed that could interfere with the performance needed to run Cubase. And literally anything from a minor program in the background to a display card/drive can have it's negative impact.

I agree with you that Steinberg should put more effort into addressing this. Things like broken installation files like we encountered with some updates recently should not occur with software on this level. But in all fairness you can't blame Steinberg for all issues occuring at the users end. This type of software needs more attention than others and sometimes people think they can just hook up an audio interface, install the software and that's it.

Well, maybe in a perfect world.....
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Post by Guvnor513 » Wed May 03, 2017 12:07 pm

Grim wrote:OK....could you also make sure the project setup and your interface setup is matching before you run an export.

And to confirm have you actually played the project before mixdown to check it sounds OK?

And finally, please re-import the mixdown into the same Cubase project and check it there to rule out something with the player software.
Okay, I imported the exported file back into the project: it plays fine in Cubase. My project is set to 48k, 24 bit depth. However, in the Audio Engine portion of the export dialog, the bit depth is set to 32K float and I cannot change it. That could be my problem, correct? Thing is, I've never seen this before.
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Post by Grim » Wed May 03, 2017 12:52 pm

Bit rate is not your problem. Sample rate is definitely the problem. Your Windows audio is probably set 44.1
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Post by Guvnor513 » Wed May 03, 2017 1:09 pm

Grim wrote:Bit rate is not your problem. Sample rate is definitely the problem. Your Windows audio is probably set 44.1
You are correct. I noticed this morning that a youtube video was playing back at a faster speed. Audio in Windows was set to 32/44.1. Fixed. Thank you for your help.
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Post by adunion » Wed May 03, 2017 9:10 pm

Works fine on my mac under El Capitan.

Worse GUI performance than 9.0.10 on Windows 7. Scrolling isn't smooth and the playhead stutters a lot. No problem with the audio though.
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Post by ramseysounds » Wed May 03, 2017 11:29 pm

I've gone back to 8.5. Too many blacklisted 32 bit plug ins on 9.
TBH I'm getting pretty fed up with Cubase. Audio drop outs are a continual PITA. Tried all different settings, buffer sizes blah blah. Totally destroys workflow. Even got to the stage where I get the audio drop out box and the mouse pointer disappears! CTRL / ALT / DEL task manager :(
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Post by audioguy » Wed May 03, 2017 11:31 pm

ramseysounds wrote:I've gone back to 8.5. Too many blacklisted 32 bit plug ins on 9.
I just purchased Vienna Ensemble Pro, and will never go back to loading plugins inside Cubase.

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Post by orchetect » Wed May 03, 2017 11:34 pm

audioguy wrote:I just purchased Vienna Ensemble Pro, and will never go back to loading plugins inside Cubase.
I'm considering that as my next move, if only for my sanity's sake. I've used Cubase intensively for the better part of the last decade, and it's steadily gotten worse. It's the lesser of two evils -- the alternative being to use a different DAW. And there's no way I can bring myself to use a different DAW.
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Post by ramseysounds » Wed May 03, 2017 11:37 pm

audioguy wrote:
ramseysounds wrote:I've gone back to 8.5. Too many blacklisted 32 bit plug ins on 9.
I just purchased Vienna Ensemble Pro, and will never go back to loading plugins inside Cubase.
But thats my point; you shouldn't have to do that. We pay our money (lots!) and it should work. Totally disillusioned here.
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Post by orchetect » Wed May 03, 2017 11:41 pm

For everyone jumping to Reaper, it's been a while since I used it but I found it was always a gong show. Buggy and unstable, and lacking some necessary pro features in the film/TV scoring arena. Maybe people are having more success with it now. :?
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