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Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:14 pm
by 40W
I'm aware I can use the Pitch Shift offline tool but surely there must be a way to pitch shift in real time ie pitching up speeds the track in BPM aswell as giving the chipmunk effect & vice versa for pitching down.

It seems possible if the track is tied to the songs BPM, ie increasing the BPM will pitch shift the track but I don't want my pitch shifting to be tied to song BPM.

Am I missing something here? Any input would be much appreciated.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:15 pm
by Martin.Jirsak
Hi,

You can use Transpose track and Transpose by semitones.

If you mean something more like pitch automation curve, this is not possible.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:50 pm
by 40W
Thanks for your reply.

When I transpose an audio track by semitones, it applies timestretch. That's the problem. I want transposing to behave as if I was playing the audio via the sampler track with no timestretch involved.

I have a feeling it isn't possible unless I process the audio offline using the Pitch Shift window. This isn't intuitive for me as I'm used to using DJ software like Native Instruments Traktor which lets you change pitch on the fly.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:47 pm
by AP
Audio process > pitch shift...

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:45 pm
by Hippo
Try changing to one of the tape modes in the pool

Hippo

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:32 pm
by marQs
What’s asked for is accessible via the infoline. Realtime, instantly, no menus involved.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:46 pm
by 40W
AP wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:47 pm
Audio process > pitch shift...
I mentioned that in my original post but that's offline only.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:47 pm
by 40W
Hippo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:45 pm
Try changing to one of the tape modes in the pool

Hippo
As mentioned, this works (when musical mode is set to musical) but is tied to a songs BPM unless I'm mistaken.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 pm
by 40W
marQs wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:32 pm
What’s asked for is accessible via the infoline. Realtime, instantly, no menus involved.
Yes, but it applies timestretch unless in tape mode which is tied to song BPM. I want the same kind of ease of access to transpose but without it timestretching or adjusting the songs overall BPM.

I'm not sure if I've explained things right because all the suggestions so far (which I appreciate btw) I've already made clear I'm aware of, unless of course I've missed something... ?

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:00 am
by Hippo
I do not understand your problem then
Please post a before and after example using Native Instruments Traktor to give us an idea of what your after.

Hippo

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:36 am
by marQs
40W wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 pm
marQs wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:32 pm
What’s asked for is accessible via the infoline. Realtime, instantly, no menus involved.
Yes, but it applies timestretch unless in tape mode which is tied to song BPM. I want the same kind of ease of access to transpose but without it timestretching or adjusting the songs overall BPM.

I'm not sure if I've explained things right because all the suggestions so far (which I appreciate btw) I've already made clear I'm aware of, unless of course I've missed something... ?
Doesn’t happen here, it’s just pitching.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:18 am
by J-S-Q
40W wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:47 pm
Hippo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:45 pm
Try changing to one of the tape modes in the pool

Hippo
As mentioned, this works (when musical mode is set to musical) but is tied to a songs BPM unless I'm mistaken.
When in Tape mode, you can use the Timestretch tool to give the behaviour that I think you are looking for. i.e. as if you were playing the audio via the sampler track with no timestretch involved. The only issue here is that you cannot accurately change pitch in semitone intervals. You will have to judge the pitch by ear unless anyone has a solution to this that I'm unaware of.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:08 pm
by Martin.Jirsak
What about to use LoopMas FX?

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:38 am
by tim_heinrich
Should I make a video for you?

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:40 pm
by 40W
Hippo wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:00 am
I do not understand your problem then
Please post a before and after example using Native Instruments Traktor to give us an idea of what your after.

Hippo
Basically I want to be able to do the same thing as Pitch Shift [see pic] but in real time and with the time correction function unticked (see pic) by adjusting the semitone parameters in the info line.
Pitch Shift.png
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Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:41 pm
by 40W
tim_heinrich wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:38 am
Should I make a video for you?
If it's not too much trouble as I still don't know how it's done.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:45 pm
by 40W
marQs wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:36 am
40W wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 pm
marQs wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:32 pm
What’s asked for is accessible via the infoline. Realtime, instantly, no menus involved.
Yes, but it applies timestretch unless in tape mode which is tied to song BPM. I want the same kind of ease of access to transpose but without it timestretching or adjusting the songs overall BPM.

I'm not sure if I've explained things right because all the suggestions so far (which I appreciate btw) I've already made clear I'm aware of, unless of course I've missed something... ?
Doesn’t happen here, it’s just pitching.
Please could you post up a screen cap of the settings you see because on my end the audio is being timestretched to stay at a fixed tempo even tho the pitch is changing?

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:47 pm
by 40W
J-S-Q wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:18 am
40W wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:47 pm
Hippo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:45 pm
Try changing to one of the tape modes in the pool

Hippo
As mentioned, this works (when musical mode is set to musical) but is tied to a songs BPM unless I'm mistaken.
When in Tape mode, you can use the Timestretch tool to give the behaviour that I think you are looking for. i.e. as if you were playing the audio via the sampler track with no timestretch involved. The only issue here is that you cannot accurately change pitch in semitone intervals. You will have to judge the pitch by ear unless anyone has a solution to this that I'm unaware of.
Thanks for the suggestion but that wouldn't work as I'm trying to use the info line pitch change settings to adjust a tracks pitch on the fly but without it being timestretched.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:50 pm
by 40W
Martin.Jirsak wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:08 pm
What about to use LoopMas FX?
No pitching functionality unless I want some sort of DJ scratch or spin effect.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:59 pm
by tim_heinrich
So, here is the video.

English
https://youtu.be/94vKA4t93Vg

German
https://youtu.be/Q3eDN5aGMCg

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:26 pm
by 40W
tim_heinrich wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:59 pm
So, here is the video.

English
https://youtu.be/94vKA4t93Vg

German
https://youtu.be/Q3eDN5aGMCg
Many thanks for this, I really appreciate it, great video!

The method I was hoping for was to simply use the info line to pitch shift in real time but without the timestretching (so no pitch shift menu, sampler track or drag file techniques would be of use) but I guess Cubase offers so many alternative methods that I guess I'll have to choose another.

Thanks again!

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:03 pm
by tim_heinrich
Thanks, you are welcome.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:42 pm
by peakae
I don't understand, I have probably misunderstood something
If I have a piece of audio and I want to change the pitch, I use the Split tool to cut the range.
Select that piece and in the Info line I use Transpose and/or Fine-Tune, and make sure the Algorithm is set to Elastique pro Time or Pitch (Tape will not work) or their Formant versions.
That does not do any timestretch, and use it all the time on vocals to create harmonies, that I often send to the reverb only.

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:33 am
by jfcture
Hi, i think the intent is to be able to timestretch an audio event so that the rhythm expressed in bpm follows a chosen tempo "without pitch correction" because all cubase's timestretch algorithms are destructive. The only way i  found to alter the audio's rhythm in a non destructive way is to use offline pitch shift and to check-off "time correction". This is not practical for mixing events, like a dj would mix records by syncing beats playing with a pitch control knob.
I find weird that cubase's pitch shift has an option to opt out of time correction but it's time stretch / tempo track doesn't have the option to opt out of pitch correction. In Cubase we can totally sequence all the elements we put on, and play with the time (speed) they occur but for stretching or shrinking an event that represent a fully complete (mastered) song so that it's tempo matches a chosen bpm, there's no option to prevent deterioration of the audio quality by trying to somehow preserve the pitch. As if thats was always desired. There must be a reason for this obvious limitation. It would be great to at least have an answer by someone who understand the question ! 

Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of audio without timestretch?

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 1:03 pm
by FXM
In the sample editor, use 'Pitch Shift' , and uncheck 'Time correction'