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Re: Can Mac users who were having GUI issues before please comment on 9.5?

Post by Puma0382 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:08 pm

Fabio Bartolini wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:39 pm
Just chiming in to confirm here as well that the work on this is ongoing and that some other improvements were ready before the release, but didn't make it in time for 9.5

So yes, improvements ongoing and some more coming soon :-)
I'd say to pass any clues from this work on to the Dorico team too Fabio... just seen the very latest v1.2 preview video from John Barron on YT Channel. Yuk.! Still so much stuttering and juddering, and a 'sticky' looking UI experience there (his laptop.?). Nothing smooth and fluid and not a pleasure to witness. I've heard its better on Windows...

Anyway, don't know how those folk seem to just work through it...
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Post by musicproducerunik » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:44 pm

Sierra: Arrangement Window - slightly better on my fully spec'ed MBP 2016 Touchbar, but Mixer still extremely laggy.

It's funny how the exact same projects run much smoother on mavericks...

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Post by djw » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:38 pm

Romantique Tp wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:45 pm
Fabio Bartolini wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:15 pm
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It's great to hear that graphics performance is only going to get better. Any idea when this update might be released?
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Post by James K » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:01 pm

musicproducerunik wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:44 pm
Sierra: Arrangement Window - slightly better on my fully spec'ed MBP 2016 Touchbar, but Mixer still extremely laggy.

It's funny how the exact same projects run much smoother on mavericks...
I found Mavericks and Mountain Lion to have better graphic performance using version C9.0.3
but now with 9.5 it's very close to my performance on High Sierra.

I always found Sierra to be very poor...much better on High Sierra for me.
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Post by musicproducerunik » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:16 am

James K wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:01 pm
musicproducerunik wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:44 pm
Sierra: Arrangement Window - slightly better on my fully spec'ed MBP 2016 Touchbar, but Mixer still extremely laggy.

It's funny how the exact same projects run much smoother on mavericks...
I found Mavericks and Mountain Lion to have better graphic performance using version C9.0.3
but now with 9.5 it's very close to my performance on High Sierra.

I always found Sierra to be very poor...much better on High Sierra for me.
that's quite surprising,tbh. most people i know have serious problems with high sierra and cubase 9 /9.5

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Post by djw » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:29 am

Puma0382 wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:08 pm
I'd say to pass any clues from this work on to the Dorico team too Fabio... just seen the very latest v1.2 preview video from John Barron on YT Channel. Yuk.! Still so much stuttering and juddering, and a 'sticky' looking UI experience there (his laptop.?). Nothing smooth and fluid and not a pleasure to witness. I've heard its better on Windows...

Anyway, don't know how those folk seem to just work through it...
Dorico is not actually like that on Mac. The stream is just captured at a low frame rate.
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Post by kdogg456 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:45 am

I have 9.5 installed on both 10.11.6 and 10.9.5 and it's very good on both, aside from the lagginess when video thumbnails are shown on 10.11.6.

10.9.5 is insanely good, no thumbnail lag there and it's by far the most responsive DAW out of all - comparing to PT 12.8 / Live 10 Beta / Logic Pro X 10.3.2.
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Post by orchetect » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:33 pm

It's way better now. Not perfect, but really good.

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Post by paulpaul » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:58 pm

I loaded a big project that used to cause the GUI to get very laggy at times.
It's much, much better now.

Great improvement, awesome!
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Post by djw » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:20 pm

orchetect wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:33 pm
It's way better now. Not perfect, but really good.

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Is there a particular operation that is slower than it should be?
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Post by Evertone » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:14 pm

Hello,

Any news on whether 9.5.20 will have further GUI improvements?

Thanks!!
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Post by Romantique Tp » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:55 pm

Fabio mentioned further performance improvements that couldn't make it into 9.5.0 and were supposed to be in 9.5.10. I don't remember if they were actually implemented or if they have been postponed to 9.5.20.
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Post by In_Stereo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:20 am

Romantique Tp wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:55 pm
Fabio mentioned further performance improvements that couldn't make it into 9.5.0 and were supposed to be in 9.5.10. I don't remember if they were actually implemented or if they have been postponed to 9.5.20.
9.5 and 9.5.I are great steps in the right direction, and are significant improvements. It's not done yet, for sure, though. I really hope there are still improvements in 9.5.20, like the laggy track scrolling in the Project Window in larger projects,the laggy mixer scrolling, and the ongoing problems with the piano roll editor being open in larger projects and causing dropouts. I was able to reproduce all of these on two other setups of composer friends, and also at Guitar Center.
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Post by orchetect » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:44 am

In_Stereo wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:20 am
ongoing problems with the piano roll editor being open in larger projects and causing dropouts.
For me, playback stutters when you open or close a window (in my case, Key Editor usually) often when there's a lot going on in a project. Anecdotally, I have a 4K (1:1 res) screen but I'm not sure it's directly related to the large screen.
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Post by paulpaul » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:29 pm

For me, the GUI problem literally disappeared with 9.5 and 9.5.1.
I usually do not work on very large projects though.
About 20-30 Audiotracks @ 24Bit 44,1 Khz, a few VSTI's.
The GUI is responding quick and as expected, so for me (see my sig. below) everything is fine now.
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Post by Evertone » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:14 pm

Romantique Tp wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:55 pm
Fabio mentioned further performance improvements that couldn't make it into 9.5.0 and were supposed to be in 9.5.10. I don't remember if they were actually implemented or if they have been postponed to 9.5.20.
I did not see any improvements with the 9.5.10 update so I'm guessing and hoping that 9.5.20 does. Still seems to be affecting users with large projects.
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9.5 and 9.5.I are great steps in the right direction, and are significant improvements. It's not done yet, for sure, though.
I concur, Steinberg did an excellent job wiping a large amount of GUI lag, but it's not 100% gone.
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Post by jonwright » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:44 pm

While the UI feels slightly more responsive than before, it's still very volatile.

I'll often get hard crashes when closing a plugin window, closing the MIDI editor, or even moving a note in the editor.

Sadly the autosave feature doesn't seem to be very reliable either.

Unfortunately I've had to use alternative DAW's for client work for the last few months.
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Post by In_Stereo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:26 am

jonwright wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:44 pm
While the UI feels slightly more responsive than before, it's still very volatile.

I'll often get hard crashes when closing a plugin window, closing the MIDI editor, or even moving a note in the editor.

Sadly the autosave feature doesn't seem to be very reliable either.

Unfortunately I've had to use alternative DAW's for client work for the last few months.
Sorry that's happening to you, what a drag! Those things aren't happening here on my system, but the Mac GUI definitely needs more improvements, and I look forward to that (hopefully) with the next update.
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Post by Ott » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:45 pm

9.5 totally fixed it for me.
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Post by In_Stereo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:25 pm

Ott wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:45 pm
9.5 totally fixed it for me.
Including fast scrolling up and down in the Project Window (not zooming, but rather up and down when you're looking for a certain channel, for instance), and also fast scrolling in the mixer, in large projects?
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Post by Ott » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:45 pm

In_Stereo wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:25 pm
Including fast scrolling up and down in the Project Window (not zooming, but rather up and down when you're looking for a certain channel, for instance), and also fast scrolling in the mixer, in large projects?

Yeah, 100-track project, loads of plugins, synths, CPU @ 65%.

The GFX issues <9.5 were beginning to kill it for me but I have completely stopped noticing them.
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Post by In_Stereo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:47 pm

Ott wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:45 pm
Yeah, 100-track project, loads of plugins, synths, CPU @ 65%.

The GFX issues <9.5 were beginning to kill it for me but I have completely stopped noticing them.

Damn, that's great! Seems to not be as completely fixed for a good amount of us. Zoom and couple other things are good now, but the other things I mentioned still exist here. I hope it's a work-in-progress still, as Fabio mentioned a while back.
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Post by Ott » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:04 pm

I'm having other issues:

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Post by In_Stereo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:11 pm

Ott wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:45 pm
Yeah, 100-track project, loads of plugins, synths, CPU @ 65%.

The GFX issues <9.5 were beginning to kill it for me but I have completely stopped noticing them.

Whoops: Actually I meant when you DRAG tracks up and down in the project window (I don't mean data from the tracks, but the tracks themselves to arrange them in different places in the track list) -- I get significant jerkiness/drag there when I move the tracks beyond the top and bottom and it makes the whole list scroll.
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Post by Evertone » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:46 pm

Once again, no improvements in the GUI area with CB 9.5.20. I'm still having sluggish graphics when I have lots of sliced audio events.
I thought this was priority for Steinberg so I'm hoping that we can see some improvements with the next update.
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