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How to use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:03 pm
by -steve-
Check out Greg Ondo's latest YouTube on the subject:

https://youtu.be/HxnDIuQiWzc

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:10 pm
by mbira
-steve- wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:03 pm
Check out Greg Ondo's latest YouTube on the subject:

https://youtu.be/HxnDIuQiWzc
Cool! I never knew that one...

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:57 pm
by benjaminduk
Is there a way to edit the Midi CC from within the Midi event again once you have extracted the Automation?

Seems like once the automation is in a lane it cannot be edited from within the midi file even though you can see it.

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:02 pm
by In_Stereo
Interesting! When I try it, it shows all automation for everything in the session, even if I just have that event selected. Any way to make JUST the track show used automation so I can do this?

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:07 pm
by greggybud
mbira wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:10 pm
-steve- wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:03 pm
Check out Greg Ondo's latest YouTube on the subject:

https://youtu.be/HxnDIuQiWzc
Cool! I never knew that one...
Neither did I. Thanks to Greg. I wonder if he lays awake at night just thinking of Cubase work-arounds?

Now I have a use for Extract Midi Automation

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:35 am
by DaddyO
Saw that too, found it interesting. I'v'e been waiting a long time for Steinberg to implement Bezier curves for MIDI CC data editing. But doesn't MIDI Automation (as opposed to Key Editor CC editing) make the data not migrate with the MIDI part if you move it?

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:39 pm
by benjaminduk
I wish this was how Midi editing worked by default within Cubase without having to extract the Midi through a menu. For example if you recorded CC1 or CC11 in a midi event and you open the Automation lane the Midi CC that you recorded shows up in lanes like in the video without having to go through the whole extraction process. Also if you have an existing Midi event that you import from another file and has Midi CC information it would also just be read in the Automation lane.

To expand upon this further it would be even cooler if the Automation lanes would have their own editor Window like a Midi Editor Window with the ability to use bezier curves and other tools with the look of the Automation lanes.

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:31 pm
by -steve-
You can record the CCs in automation lanes in the project work area to begin with.

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:40 pm
by benjaminduk
What? You can? On an Instrument Track.

How do you do this and does that data also get stored within the Midi Event?

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:13 pm
by peakae
Did you watch the video ?
Goto 4m10s in the video and watch again.

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:13 pm
by benjaminduk
Oh whoops I missed that part. Thought it needed to be extracted first :D

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:16 pm
by -steve-
One thing he doesn't mention is how to get the CC data back into an editable form in the Key Editor CC lanes. This can be done using Merge MIDI in Loop.

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:38 pm
by benjaminduk
Thanks for mentioning this Steve. I was wondering about that.

Re: Use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:21 pm
by msy
Thanks, a fully working work around. :)

I hope next update will bring curves to MIDI CC's.

Re: Want to use the new automation curve paradigm (aka bezier curves) with midi CCs?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:26 am
by Stephen57
-steve- wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:16 pm
One thing he doesn't mention is how to get the CC data back into an editable form in the Key Editor CC lanes. This can be done using Merge MIDI in Loop.
+1 (TY)

Re: Use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:17 pm
by emasters
msy wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:21 pm

I hope next update will bring curves to MIDI CC's.
+1

Re: Use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:45 pm
by da10us
Using automation this way for pitchbend isn't working like this for multi-timbral instruments (track/rack). I'm trying the automate pitchbend with Omnisphere 2.5 for example. I found automation numbers under the instrument lane. I could configure them for receiving pitchbend on the Omnisphere side. But that would seperate the information from my midi track (multi-timbral ;-)). Midi transformer works, but has poor resolution. Any suggestions?

How hard would it be for STeinberg to add pitchbend automation lanes to all tracks?

Re: How to use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:38 pm
by GargoyleStudio
I've been hoping for Pitchbend and Aftertouch in the automation lanes for a long long time.......

Mike.

Re: How to use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:12 pm
by -steve-
c'mon guys. Post in FR. This is not the place.

Re: Use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:39 pm
by jezburns
msy wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:21 pm
Thanks, a fully working work around. :)

I hope next update will bring curves to MIDI CC's.
+1.. I can't believe there even needs to be a 'workaround' for this!

Re: Use bezier curves with midi CCs

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:07 am
by jono not bono
msy wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:21 pm
Thanks, a fully working work around. :)

I hope next update will bring curves to MIDI CC's.
This. Madness it hasn’t been implemented yet.