Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Zone)

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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by djw » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:33 pm

jose7822 wrote:As long as it's all optional (you can show/hide both inspectors whenever), then it looks good!
Each Zone can be set up to only have the tabs you want in them, so you can keep the Right Zone as just the VST Racks and MediaBay if you want.

You can already do this, but there's little to no point.

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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by jose7822 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:45 pm

I guess I should've said "show/hide the Right and Left Zones whenever" instead on Inspectors. But yeah, that sounds/looks good too. Options to customize the work environment are always welcome (as long as they make sense, of course). Nice mockups!
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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by jpm999 » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:48 am

+1

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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by ZeroZero » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:37 am

Magnetic dockable Windows has been a user request for 20+years. This would mean you could put your windows where you wish. Also the behaviour of always on top is weird tick it and it's not always on top, untick it and it is not. A on top also seems to disappear to easily, we need a Pin. These two features would maximise flexibility.
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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by djw » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:45 pm

ZeroZero wrote:Magnetic dockable Windows has been a user request for 20+years. This would mean you could put your windows where you wish.
Right now you can drag tabs around. If there were enough zones, Left/Right/Top/Bottom/Side split, then we could just drag those tabs into whatever Zone we want and then change the size as we want. This would keep the current window handling structure but make it very flexible.

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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by ZeroZero » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:50 pm

Yes this would be an improvement, but why not free global dockability - including VSTs?
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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by djw » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:56 pm

I don't understand how docking VSTs would work well. They vary in GUI size so much and most aren't freely resizeable. Switching them would change the window layout a lot (what would happen when going from a tall to a wide one?)

Technically, the Sampler Track seems to be a plugin (Sampler Track.dll) so in this way it could work, but that one's fully resizeable.

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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by BLOODMOON » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:45 am

+1000

It's a great idea. If Cubase supports customizable magnetic docking, it will be able to crush all DAWs.
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Post by Martin.Jirsak » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:23 am

@djw, Why you don't use Workspaces for this?
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Re: Side by side docking of the Project & Lower Zone [Side Z

Post by djw » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:32 am

Martin.Jirsak wrote:@djw, Why you don't use Workspaces for this?
The workflow like this isn't impossible right now, just like previously it would have been possible to use multiple workspaces to create a Lower Zone. But it's neater and more convenient:

- Less windows means more space for contents and a cleaner look, just like now with the Lower Zone.

- When the Key Editor is closed and I switch to my Split workspace, the Key Editor isn't influenced by the switch and will just open maximized.

- The transition between workspaces is slow and distracting.

- If I keep my MixConsole maximized, this now becomes the main project window, adding more window borders. If I slightly misclick the top bar I will be sent to the mixer.

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by djw » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:00 am

I polished the original post a bit and tried to make it more clear.

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by Sonik » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:37 am

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by planarchist » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:27 am

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by nostrami » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:30 am

Great idea, all this could be extended to opening the zones in other display's!
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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by nia_y27 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:44 am

+1

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by djw » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:21 am

Thanks for the support everyone! I'm holding my breath for 9.5.

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by jose7822 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:16 am

djw wrote:Thanks for the support everyone! I'm holding my breath for 9.5.
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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by lordExtra » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:14 am

+1 bring it on
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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by zewolfx » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:24 pm

+1
I was hoping it would be like that in Cubase 9, now I hope for it in 9.5
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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by Centralmusic » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:25 pm

+1
but...

I really prefer Wavelab´s behaviour with it´s totally flexible docking window solution:

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Z

Post by djw » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:57 pm

I also like Wavelab's docking system, but my design is based around improving what's already there.

I'm assuming that it would be a huge task to change Cubase to behave like Wavelab and that much of it would have to be remade from the ground up.

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Zone)

Post by djw » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:32 am

Aw, all the "thanks" are gone from this now. There were quite a lot!

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Zone)

Post by Doricoalltheway » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:16 pm

djw wrote:
Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:20 am
With a vertically split "Side Zone" similar to the Lower Zone, piano roll editing and working on the project becomes more comfortable on widescreen displays where vertical space is scarce.

You can now see more tracks, more octaves, more lanes. The Side MixConsole can have enough space for the full channel strip. And all tabs can be draggable between Zones.

Project has Side Zone (Key Editor) and Right Zone (Inspector) opened:
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Project has Lower Zone (MixConsole), Side Zone (Key Editor) and Right Zone (Inspector) opened:
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It would also be nice to be able to close the inspector altogether, we'd have even more space. And of course to optionally have the volume fader in the inspector(like Digital Performer), than we don't have to have the entire mixer open and we'd have more room to select tracks and clips in the main window on the left(based on your graphic).
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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Zone)

Post by djw » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:17 pm

You can already have the volume fader open in the Inspector (it's in one of the tabs), and you can already close the inspector ("Left Zone"). Cool if you like the request though.

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Re: Side by side docking of Project & Lower Zone (now Side Zone)

Post by Doricoalltheway » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:19 pm

djw wrote:
Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:20 am
With a vertically split "Side Zone" similar to the Lower Zone, piano roll editing and working on the project becomes more comfortable on widescreen displays where vertical space is scarce.

You can now see more tracks, more octaves, more lanes. The Side MixConsole can have enough space for the full channel strip. And all tabs can be draggable between Zones.

Project has Side Zone (Key Editor) and Right Zone (Inspector) opened:
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Project has Lower Zone (MixConsole), Side Zone (Key Editor) and Right Zone (Inspector) opened:
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One more thing, in your graphic there are 2 toolbars, we need just one so that when the key editor is selected, we can select buttons(or press key commands) from the main toolbar
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