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Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:50 am
by Henry1970
I think the problem here is that most controllers use the Mackie Protocol.
The Qcon Pro-X has features which are added to the original protocol?? (Master leds & second display strip)
For these to work, Steinberg has to add them to Cubase/Nuende, right?
But if every other manufacturer adds different features to the existing protocol, Steinberg would have to adress this for every single controller, which they most likely won´t.
Unless new features are officially added to the Protocol itself. The protocol is there to unify this stuff.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:47 pm
by cubace
-steve- wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:17 am
That's your opinion, and you have a right to it, I guess. But I hope you don't take offense at my pointing out that there's no such thing as an MCU driver that SB manufactures. And as far as your wish that those products get added functions, personally, I don't expect products to get new features years after they're discontinued. I'm happy if they still work as designed, and the drivers are updated when needed.

I have 2 cmc-FDs, a TP and a QC, all doing what they are designed to do quite well, plus they're being used as custom controllers via Bome midi transformer. I'm curious to know if you own any of these devices?
Have QC,HC and CC121 from yamaha/steinberg. I also have others like Mackie Control, a original MCR-8, a BCR2000 and a Fronter Tranzport. Ok, lets me ask this question then, what controller should I buy to get access to the new mixer features in from what was modern when C121 was designed to current cubase 9.5? And CC121 is still sold as cubase controller but unfortunately not CMC that really had more potential to get cubase controls to fly.
Steinberg WEB wrote: Engineered specifically for the thousands of production environments using Cubase worldwide, CC121 interfaces the creativity of musicians and producers with the functional complexity of the world’s most popular music production system. CC121 provides totally integrated tactile control of all parameters within Cubase, with a unique design architecture that keeps you 100% focused on your project.
No limitation on that it is for older version of cubase...

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:54 pm
by cubace
Henry1970 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:50 am
I think the problem here is that most controllers use the Mackie Protocol.
The Qcon Pro-X has features which are added to the original protocol?? (Master leds & second display strip)
For these to work, Steinberg has to add them to Cubase/Nuende, right?
But if every other manufacturer adds different features to the existing protocol, Steinberg would have to adress this for every single controller, which they most likely won´t.
Unless new features are officially added to the Protocol itself. The protocol is there to unify this stuff.
Steinberg could put the controller driver in a public SDK as base. However, steinberg might have signed NDA:s with Mackie so it might not be possible due to legal reasons.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm
by cubace
@steve I read your lack of response as the complete list of the current supported controllers.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:25 pm
by -steve-
I don't know why you would think I'd know the answer to that.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:05 am
by cubace
-steve- wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:25 pm
I don't know why you would think I'd know the answer to that.
You seems to know which are not supported any why for all my suggestions.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:46 pm
by -steve-
I know what works for my setup. But check out the Nektar Panorama devices. They seem to have done the job.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:38 pm
by cubace
-steve- wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:46 pm
I know what works for my setup. But check out the Nektar Panorama devices. They seem to have done the job.
At least they seems to be interesting as a keyboard and a controller for a player. But as a mixing tool it seems more like a toy without motors. Their technology could of course be used to build a very good mixer controller, but it does not exist.

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:03 pm
by cubace
-steve- wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:46 pm
I know what works for my setup. But check out the Nektar Panorama devices. They seem to have done the job.
I have now tried the panorama. It is a joke. I have not seen so many bugs in a little box for a long time.
Except for that it does not give access to the mixer features that steinberg has added last 3-4 years it fu*k up
your MCU mixer views. It does note even has the 16 plugin slots. (MCU has) However I think most of the problem can be traced back to steinberg and their remote sdk. Is nuage build upon that? I guess not...

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:29 am
by thkbm
Love the CMC controllers - my favorite is the AI. In combination with the mouse you can do a lot. Yet purchased the QCon Pro X. The Cubase implementation is better than the Faderport to my opinion, although the Scribble Strips on the Faderport show more data.
What puzzles me is that a lot of the MCU functionality described in the "Remote control devices" manial is not supported by any of these controllers.
And also I do not understand why Steinberg gave up the production of the CMC controllers - Maybe a sacrifice to the go together with Yamaha?

Re: Icon Qcon pro X Master leds meter

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:01 pm
by cubace
thkbm wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:29 am
Love the CMC controllers - my favorite is the AI. In combination with the mouse you can do a lot. Yet purchased the QCon Pro X. The Cubase implementation is better than the Faderport to my opinion, although the Scribble Strips on the Faderport show more data.
What puzzles me is that a lot of the MCU functionality described in the "Remote control devices" manial is not supported by any of these controllers.
And also I do not understand why Steinberg gave up the production of the CMC controllers - Maybe a sacrifice to the go together with Yamaha?
It is really strange that they have not made any follow ups to CMC (or CC121). CMC touch faders are not good so I have always assumed that is why the are discontinued. The software has not been evolving for many years so I guess that they dont see any future for this. Strange that is since AVID seems to do a huge business from their devices.