dr wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:28 pm
Maybe but they’re not doing that for N8 - and Timo has said that we’re now effectively in a grace period as current upgrades will be eligible for N10. So these actually ARE N10 licenses. It would be odd and annoying for people who have recently upgraded/crossgraded if SB bring the prices down further when N10 is released.
Hopefully I’m wrong - although I think it would be good for SB to make an official statement about this.
Good points. Hmmm... I think you're right, and it would be good to get a statement from Steinberg for those who are considering upgrading from N7 and earlier. The N8 people can't upgrade now anyway, obviously, but would be nice to get a statement from Steinberg on this overall topic, just to spare us all of the many speculative posts in every forum until May (or whenever N10 is released).
Anyway, it's clear this is going to be a big release, and the customer upgrade stats will likely be a lot higher than usual for Steinberg. I've already crossgraded a Cubase license to N8 (goodbye Cubase license!), and now I'm looking forward to having two licenses of Nuendo 10 in the studio. So Steinberg already has $390 from me this month + another $200-$250? upgrade for the second license in May. Makes me wonder how much I've spent on Steinberg over the years... not sure I want to do the math... but on the other hand, it's still a lost less than I've spent on Pro Tools.
Man I hope Nuendo 10 is good. It feels strange not to have a Cubase license anymore. I hope they really do synchronize the development schedules and I hope the lag time between new Cubase features and Nuendo updates is significantly shorter like they've said.
Now please ignore the rest of my post if you are not interested in sentimental or introspective ramblings...
Maybe a couple of people might feel something similar. Maybe not. And my ramblings below are relevant at least to the broad concept of the OP -- that Nuendo is a "landmark" release.
In all honesty, it really does feel like a "landmark" release. It actually feels like my studio is changing... I feel like I'm closing a long chapter and starting a new one. Not quite sure why it feels like that... after all, it's still Steinberg (for good and bad), but things now feel different with the Nuendo 10 release. Maybe it will be a disaster (I doubt it) or maybe it will be incredible (I also doubt it)... but I still feel like a big change is happening. While I still use several DAWs here, including Pro Tools (less and less) and Bitwig (mostly for fun) and Reaper (for dialog editing) and yes, even the other excellent Hamburg DAW -- Studio One -- (for various songwriting projects)... I can't help but feel my studio is changing... and maybe I'll even start using Steinberg for songwriting again... who knows?
It just feels strangely hopeful.
I'm even starting to become conflicted about Studio One. BTW, I bought Studio One during one of my most frustrating moments with Cubase, after a good friend of mine (and a former Cubase user) recommended I give it a try. And I discovered that Studio One was excellent in its workflow, and I have enjoyed moving several projects over to it, including some very big jobs that clients had no idea weren't done in Pro Tools or Cubendo. It did amazingly well for certain projects, so I have huge respect for the other Hamburg developers for what they've accomplished. I will continue to upgrade my Studio One license since there are many outstanding features that allow me to get from scratchpad to final product very quickly, compared to other DAWs.
Studio One felt like the direction Cubase should have been going in several areas, and I have to admit that Studio One saved my neck several times with clients. Of course, it's not designed to be a dedicated post production DAW like Nuendo, and of course it's missing certain composer-related features that Cubase has pioneered for years, and it isn't a "standard" (whatever that means) in studios like Pro Tools is (although more and more people I know are switching to it). So I would still do certain tasks in Nuendo (or Pro Tools), but I found Studio One to be very capable in many areas, even with sound design, and it took over many jobs that would normally have been done in Cubase.
However, when Steinberg released Cubase 10, it was clear to me that Steinberg had turned a corner in the right direction, almost as if they were paying attention to their customers and the market! So I started to consider moving some projects back to Cubase... but yet, I was still hesitant. I upgraded to Cubase 10, tested it, worked with it, was impressed... somewhat hopeful...
But then when the Nuendo 10 feature list was announced, honestly, I felt a sense of relief. As if Steinberg's vision had finally become focused and committed in a direction I liked, and when they announced that they had been synchronizing the development calendars (finally!) of Cubase + Nuendo, the conflict I felt between maintaining both licenses of Cubase and Nuendo, juggling projects and feature gaps, could finally end, and I could just focus on Nuendo. And also... I could finally let go of Cubase. And that was also a relief. And with some key post features I have seriously wanted for a long time, I could also make a final push to phase out Pro Tools to the bare minimum, and go all in on Nuendo for post production and sound design. It was like I could let go of two other DAWs at last!
I think I might be able to finally phase out Reaper too (although it's hard to beat for dialog editing -- if only Steinberg would finally add true ripple editing). Now that would be amazing to get rid of Reaper as well. That would leave me just with Nuendo, Studio One and Bitwig. It feels good to simplify my life a bit... and downsize these DAWs I've been maintaining. I'll keep Bitwig since it's very inspirational for creative exploration. And I'll keep Studio One since the workflow for songwriting is just enjoyable to me (with the glaring exception of the lack of articulation management). However, with Nuendo 10, Steinberg appears to have taken some good notes from their Hamburg cousins, and for me, wiped out any final justification I need to keep Pro Tools in my workflow. If clients complain, my justification for Nuendo will be much more confident. When I crush with ARA + Synchro Arts and render out video and manage ADR better and deal with field recording, etc., in one place -- they won't even ask for me to use Pro Tools again (I hope). At least not my current clients.
And I'm now even tempted to move some songwriting back to Steinberg. What?!?! I didn't expect that.
So this does really feel like a "landmark" change for my studio TBH. While I'll keep using Studio One for certain projects because I *enjoy* it, plus Bitwig because I *enjoy* it, I also feel like I might even be able to *enjoy* my post production workflow again as well... this Nuendo 10 release answers many frustrations I've been having (at least on paper), and I feel ready (and hopeful) to finally say goodbye to a lot of what I've been doing in the past. (Sayonara, Pro Tools!). And now it is dawning on me that this is why this release feels so different to me... it's about actual "enjoyment" and hope. I warned you about the sentimental nature of this post!
When was the last time I "enjoyed" the technical side of my DAW software instead of constantly wrestling with it? It's been YEARS because I feel like I've constantly been fighting between apps due to issues or features or conflicts or standards or workflow, etc... But now, I think I have a chance to bring some actual enjoyment to the technical side of things. And not just enjoyment... but simplification of old workflows and convoluted processes I used to have. At least here's to hoping.
Apologies for the long exposition... it's actually helped me figure out why I'm so excited about this release. I'm also realistic, and I know it will be far from perfect. But now, after a long time, I'm actually feeling some real clarity in my studio, like I finally know where certain puzzle pieces are more naturally supposed to fit... instead of forcing things into apps or workflows that gave me headaches and stress. Sure, this could be a mess of a release and my hopes could crumble, but I think there's something really good here.
I guess we'll find out in a couple of months.