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Post by audiosprite » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:31 am

does that mean the 3900x would likely be the better pick over an i9 for a cubase build? watched the video and i figure "compute performance" is the relevant measurement there yeah?
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Post by peakae » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:15 am

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does that mean the 3900x would likely be the better pick over an i9 for a cubase build? watched the video and i figure "compute performance" is the relevant measurement there yeah?
Depends how 3900x handles low latency, wait for some DAW benchmarks.
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Post by audiosprite » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:48 pm

ok will do. what resources do you like for daw benchmarks?
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Post by sempondr » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:43 pm

audiosprite wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:48 pm
ok will do. what resources do you like for daw benchmarks?
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/12 ... ic-number/

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Post by audiosprite » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:39 pm

sempondr wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:43 pm
audiosprite wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:48 pm
ok will do. what resources do you like for daw benchmarks?
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/12 ... ic-number/
cool thank you! seems like an i9 is still the best option for a spaceship budget but at ~$500 the 3900X is the best value yeah?
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Post by msy » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:15 pm

audiosprite wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:39 pm
sempondr wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:43 pm
audiosprite wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:48 pm
ok will do. what resources do you like for daw benchmarks?
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/12 ... ic-number/
cool thank you! seems like an i9 is still the best option for a spaceship budget but at ~$500 the 3900X is the best value yeah?
Yes, the 3900x is almost as fast as i9 9960X (a $2200 CPU!) and faster than 9940X. And of course faster than the popular i9 9900K.
Atleast when doing DSP/plugin count. If you are doing low latency work (@64 buffers) with large Kontakt libs etc it is also the same speed as Intels CPU's. But not at 128 and above. Which is quite strange...

Ryzen 3950x ($750) will be released in september and will hopefully be even faster at DSP work with its 16 cores/32 threads. How it compares in the Kontakt lib polyphony we can only guess though. Leaked benchmarks show it kicks Intels 9980XE (a $2500 CPU!) at multicore usage.

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Post by audiosprite » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:15 pm

huh interesting. i tend to work above 128ms buffer at the moment and i do use a lot of large kontakt libraries, but setting the buffer that high is of course also partially due to needing more processing power.

will likely wait on the 3950x to see how this plays out. i'd like to use the $300 of RAM i bought last year for as long as possible before having to replace it with the new chip smh
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Post by Aurélio » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:25 pm

Hello Guys, I'm so sorry if I'm about to post something that was already posted here before, but since I noticed some changes in main subject of this thread I'll ask anyway.
I've build the scanproaudio i9-9900k machine, with a designare z390 mobo and install the my cubase 10 on Windows 10 1903 build. My interface is UFX+ via thunderbolt.
I already did this sugestion https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-u ... CPU-setups
installing the "audioengine.properties" into the proper folder and checked with mmcss test with 32 result.
I'm a ran 96hz test with the lower possible lattency 64ms (it's almost like 44.1hz in 32ms)

My CPU is running with just 35% and I getting some REAL TIME SPIKES and dropouts, crashs, clicks, pops on Cubase.
That said my questions are:
- Do I need to use ASIO GUARD ( low Normal or high) any longer?
- Do I need to take "audioengine.properties" off the and reverse this process?
- Do I need to do anything else to sync my CPU usage with My Cubase CPU real time usage?

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Re: Cubase 10, Windows 10 and multi-core (14+ cores)

Post by vinark » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:27 am

AFAIK C10 does not need the audioengine thing. Asioguard, dramaticly improves performance here, I keep it on hi. 64 @ 96khz is very very low and maybe unrealistic. I run my machine at 128@44k. So if thing work ok at 128 or 256 @96k don't push it to much on the low latency. Depending on what plugins you use not all plugins work very nicely at very low latencies. There are even Kontakt scripted libraries that will not work under 256 without crackles. SO what you could try is if disabling certain plugins improves the issue. Could be just one plugin or one vendor that is causing spikes at ultra low latencies.

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Post by Aurélio » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:38 am

Nice,
So, to reverse that process, all I have to do is just to delete the "audioengine.properties" file from the folder I copied, so the things will get back where it was? Or do I need to do anything else to reverse/unfix the "audioengine" thing?
And, course, use the Asioguard.

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Post by audiosprite » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:53 am

I just upgraded to an i9-9960x, which has 16 cores; if there's anything I need to know about using this with Cubase, or if there's anything you would like me to benchmark for you Fabio, please let me know.
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Post by Aurélio » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:00 am

I realized that if I select in BIOS just 7 cores (which will make 14 logical cores) instead of 8, my system run so much fast and with no CPU spikes.
I lost 2 logical cores but increase performance

My CPU is an i9-9900k

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Post by theRoyal1 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:41 am

Aurélio wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:00 am
I realized that if I select in BIOS just 7 cores (which will make 14 logical cores) instead of 8, my system run so much fast and with no CPU spikes.
I lost 2 logical cores but increase performance

My CPU is an i9-9900k
Interesting... I only have 6 cores 12 log. so Maybe It won't make an impact but very interesting.
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Post by Steako » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:04 pm

msy wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:15 pm


Yes, the 3900x is almost as fast as i9 9960X (a $2200 CPU!) and faster than 9940X. And of course faster than the popular i9 9900K.
Atleast when doing DSP/plugin count. If you are doing low latency work (@64 buffers) with large Kontakt libs etc it is also the same speed as Intels CPU's. But not at 128 and above. Which is quite strange...

Ryzen 3950x ($750) will be released in september and will hopefully be even faster at DSP work with its 16 cores/32 threads. How it compares in the Kontakt lib polyphony we can only guess though. Leaked benchmarks show it kicks Intels 9980XE (a $2500 CPU!) at multicore usage.

Good times. :)
The 3900x goes as fast as i9 9960x at lower buffer (32) but do not gain performance above (128 >) as intel I9 does.
This shows that:
- 3900x is a little less powerful than i9 9960x
- i9 9960x is less optimised than 3900x for lower latencies. It looses performance when your reduce buffer where 3900x stay constant.

This is a really good new concerning new Ryzen CPUs, showing that they have a very good behaviour for memory management and inter core connexions. Means we can expect good scalability with higher core/threads numbers, even with low buffer sizes.

Conclusion: The 3950x with 16cores /32 threads should put i9 out of the ring: Same or about same power at higher latencies/ buffer size but more performance with lower latencies/lower buffer. I'm really waiting first tests, end of this month..

Conclusion2: If new gen Threadripper show same realtime behaviour then we will have plenty of power usable for our DAWs, at very low latency. :)

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Post by theRoyal1 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:28 pm

I'm 1st in line for the next threadrippa! lol
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Post by Fabio Bartolini » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:29 am

There are benchmarks from SCAN that include both the 9960X and 3900X: https://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/1 ... ic-number/

This was linked already, but you find the pics for FX and VI directly below.

FX: http://www.scanproaudio.info/wp-content ... 19Q3-2.jpg
VI: http://www.scanproaudio.info/wp-content ... 19Q3-2.jpg

Quite interesting figures in these specific tests, VI / higher latency is where you see a big difference. Checking the user's cases I dealt with, Intel is still a bit ahead in terms of low-latency.
We'll soon be getting two new AMD systems, eager to see how they compare.
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Post by Aurélio » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:14 pm

theRoyal1 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:41 am
Aurélio wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:00 am
I realized that if I select in BIOS just 7 cores (which will make 14 logical cores) instead of 8, my system run so much fast and with no CPU spikes.
I lost 2 logical cores but increase performance

My CPU is an i9-9900k
Interesting... I only have 6 cores 12 log. so Maybe It won't make an impact but very interesting.
I guess not, only above 14. Once i9 has 16 logical, make sense to drop it to 14.

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Post by Fabio Bartolini » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Hi Aurélio,

it should not be necessary to disable one core, especially with that CPU.
I actually dealt with quite a few systems built around an i9-9900K and this is the first case where disabling one core helps.

Curious about this, I'm sending you a PM if you don't mind.
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Post by Steako » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:41 am

Hi everybody,
Well this story about "one core disable because with 7 cores it's better than with 8 cores" is worrying me.
The cores/thread number usage limitation should'nt have disapeared with Cubase 10 ???

Question for Fabio: I 'm planning to build a stong system with next gen Threadripper (november 2019) with let's say 24 or 32 cores (so 48 or 64 threads) available.
Simple question: Cubase 10 (in a Windows 10 x64 setup) will be able to use all this power and threads availability ? Or shall we face any other limitation like 32 threads, or something like that ??

Thanks for clearing the question, I'm a little bit confused before spending a lot of money in a top level config

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Post by Fabio Bartolini » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Steako wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:41 am
Hi everybody,
Well this story about "one core disable because with 7 cores it's better than with 8 cores" is worrying me.
The cores/thread number usage limitation should'nt have disapeared with Cubase 10 ???

Question for Fabio: I 'm planning to build a stong system with next gen Threadripper (november 2019) with let's say 24 or 32 cores (so 48 or 64 threads) available.
Simple question: Cubase 10 (in a Windows 10 x64 setup) will be able to use all this power and threads availability ? Or shall we face any other limitation like 32 threads, or something like that ??

Thanks for clearing the question, I'm a little bit confused before spending a lot of money in a top level config
The "one core disabled" thing is by no means normal - it wouldn't have even with Cubase 6 when using an 8 core / 16 threads CPU. The limitation has been of 32 logical cores from Cubase 5 up to Cubase 9.5 and removed in Cubase 10.
However, we've seen a few cases where this happened (with variable amount of cores, so it's difficult to know why this happens without having a close look at the system).

As for the Threadripper, very difficult to say before-hand without testing.
Many cores certainly means a lot of thread synchronisation - this will surely hit performance: the lower the latency and the lower the single-core clock-speed, the hardest the hit. For those working with high latency and many VSTi, it might just work great - for others it might be wasted money. It very much depends on the use and workflow.
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Post by st33l » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:45 pm

Fabio. Lets say i was a millionare and has limitless of money. I wanted to give you a new pc to build. Money is NOT a problem:)
What cpu would you buy today for that money. What cpu will you find is best here. Lets say you will use not more than 4 VSTI most of the time.
I guess it can be an overclocked I9 9900K because of the singlecore clock and it can be overclocked pretty easy to 5.0ghz...Or do you have another better suggestion? What will you buy for the money.

PS. Im no millionare and dont have limitless of money...It was just an imagination:)
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Post by Fabio Bartolini » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:18 pm

I'm/we're here officially, and Steinberg cannot openly recommend any specific piece of hardware over another... and then again, it very much depends on the use it is tailored to.

I personally :lol: tend to stick to the faster i5 or i7 since Gen. 3 and always pick up the 'K' version (currently in use: i5-4690K, i7-6700K and i7-8700K), so the i9 9900K would most probably be my choice at the moment. It is important to stress that I usually work on mostly audio, many plugin FX, very little VSTi and quite a low latency except while mixing.
An average of 4 VSTi and something like 120-150 FX plugins is my typical project... the i5 mentioned above deals with such a project with 40% to 60% performance (depending on the number and kind of plugins) at 512 and the project still runs fine down to 32. But using more hungry plugins might change the scenario completely! No doubt an orchestral composer would max that out way before the end of a project.

P.S. If I was a millionaire (nothing's farther from the truth :lol: ), I'd get the i9-9900K, i9-9960X and Ryzen 3900X, just for the fun of building them a new home.
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Post by Steako » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:42 am

Thank you Fabio for the quick and precise reply.

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Post by JohnKan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:21 am

Guys may I ask... isn’t the Intel Core i7-9700k (the non hyperthreading one) a better choice compared to i9-9900k since Steinberg is recommending to keep hyper threading off?

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Post by Fabio Bartolini » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:16 am

On a machine based on modern hardware and running Cubase 7 / Nuendo 6 or later we recommend to keep HT on https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-u ... ASIO-Guard
It may make sense to disable it when trouble-shooting performance issues or benchmarking ON/OFF, but it does provide added performance.
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