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Re: Steinberg - EUCON. Why are you ignoring Avid users?

Post by Keyplayer » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:23 am

jconstantine wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:53 am
I installed it today and can not have my artist working because of this:
"eucon client cannot access the bonjour service"

Any ideas?
That usually requires a complete uninstall of the old version and then do a fresh install, so everything can find what it needs.
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Post by Outsounder » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:19 pm

Here's some of the Steinberg claims on updating Eucon adapter.

10 July 2016, Guillermo (support forum) wrote:
"We have already implemented the "Mixer mirror" feature/option but cannot be delivered on the current EuCon(version 2) adapter."

"We are waiting for the delivery of the next EuCon(version 3) adapter. As soon as we support EuCon 3, this functionality (mixer mirror/track visibility) will be available & usable"

25 March 2018 Oscar (support email) wrote:
"Developers are working on it and some problem with Eucon's devices should be solved with the next update or the second update from now,

16 September 2019 Oscar (support email) wrote
"I would confirm once time again Steinberg is interested in finding a solution to this problem and our departments are working on in order to understand this issue. However, as you know EuCon is owned by Avid and we do not have any access to EuCon directly and we have only the access our integration part. 
These limitations are slowing all the bugfix procedure down. I am sorry about it"

I'd encourage anyone using Eucon to lobby Steinberg support directly, they mostly ignore these forums.
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Re: Steinberg - EUCON. Why are you ignoring Avid users?

Post by Keyplayer » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:23 pm

Outsounder wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:19 pm
Here's some of the Steinberg claims on updating Eucon adapter.

10 July 2016, Guillermo (support forum) wrote:
"We have already implemented the "Mixer mirror" feature/option but cannot be delivered on the current EuCon(version 2) adapter."

"We are waiting for the delivery of the next EuCon(version 3) adapter. As soon as we support EuCon 3, this functionality (mixer mirror/track visibility) will be available & usable"

25 March 2018 Oscar (support email) wrote:
"Developers are working on it and some problem with Eucon's devices should be solved with the next update or the second update from now,

16 September 2019 Oscar (support email) wrote
"I would confirm once time again Steinberg is interested in finding a solution to this problem and our departments are working on in order to understand this issue. However, as you know EuCon is owned by Avid and we do not have any access to EuCon directly and we have only the access our integration part. 
These limitations are slowing all the bugfix procedure down. I am sorry about it"

I'd encourage anyone using Eucon to lobby Steinberg support directly, they mostly ignore these forums.
So, should we start a FORMAL PETITION? How many signatures do you think we'd need to make an impression on Steinberg, 1,000, 2,500, 5,000? How big is our base? :?: :|
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Re: Steinberg - EUCON. Why are you ignoring Avid users?

Post by Keyplayer » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:47 pm

While the "mixer mirror/track visibility" is clearly paramount, I wouldn't mind it one bit if they'd FIX THE SURROUND PANNING CONTROLS MAPPING! Is that an easier fix? I sure hope so because it's totally backwards!

You have to go though 4 pages of options (with the 2nd page TOTALLY BLANK!!! :o ) ON THE MC Control! The 1st page that matches the controls on the surround panner channel is page 3!! That's ridiculous! Object Mode Controls are on page 1. I don't know about you guys, but, 99% of the time I'm in Bed Mode for mixing music. So, page 3 SHOULD BE page 1. The obvious work around is to JUST USE THE MOUSE/TRACKBALL. Let that sink in.

I've lost count of all of the work-arounds that OMIT THE VERY HARDWARE purchased to do that particular task! WTH?!!? :x
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Post by Funkybot » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:50 pm

On the Avid forums, Eddie from Avid indicated they're working with Steinberg on the Avid S1 and would pass on the questions about the EUCON update.

http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=406603

Fingers crossed.

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Post by Keyplayer » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:24 pm

Anybody know if the SSL Nucleus 2 will work with a Surround setup? 🤔
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Post by Torsten Schroth » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:00 pm

Dear Fellas,

it seems that there is something moving, regarding this issue.
Eddie Jones just started a thread, where he gathers the top 5-10 bugs with Eucon and Cubase/Nuendo (and Logic Pro X), to actually get them fixed by Steinberg. Here is the thread: http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=2543312
Please add your comments and spread the word! Let's make this happen!

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Post by J-S-Q » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:51 pm

Torsten Schroth wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:00 pm
Dear Fellas,

it seems that there is something moving, regarding this issue.
Eddie Jones just started a thread, where he gathers the top 5-10 bugs with Eucon and Cubase/Nuendo (and Logic Pro X), to actually get them fixed by Steinberg. Here is the thread: http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=2543312
Please add your comments and spread the word! Let's make this happen!

Thanks,
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This is an encouraging sign!
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Post by Torsten Schroth » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:29 pm

Probably a bit early - but has anyone testet if the visibility shizzle already works in 10.5? :D
Guess not..
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Post by J-S-Q » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:37 pm

Torsten Schroth wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:29 pm
Probably a bit early - but has anyone testet if the visibility shizzle already works in 10.5? :D
Guess not..
Your guess is correct. Visibility issues have not been solved. Nor has the 3 YEAR old bug whereby you cannot mute VCA tracks from the control surface. I detect zero progress for Eucon in 10.5 which is disappointing (although it otherwise has some nice features).
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Post by Torsten Schroth » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:52 pm

I actually didn't think, they would update it in this version. But if Eddie Jones really pushes it (which makes sense, regarding their new control surfaces), its gonna happen within a smaller update... I actually believe that its gonna happen.
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Post by J-S-Q » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:56 pm

Torsten Schroth wrote:
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I actually believe that its gonna happen.
I hope that you're right but I have almost abandoned all hope.
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Post by Keyplayer » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:11 pm

J-S-Q wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:56 pm
Torsten Schroth wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:52 pm
I actually believe that its gonna happen.
I hope that you're right but I have almost abandoned all hope.
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Post by Outsounder » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:14 pm

Eddie from Avid posted on the avid Facebook page recently that he was in talks with Steinberg recently (probably on the S1/S4, however he did post that although he'd bought up the lack of updates on eucon from Steinberg, he did not push it...Make of that what you will. Steinbetg must be so embarrassed by all this, I mean it's not actually as if they have a consumer one available of their own, the only company that doesn't! but note the vintage one in the promo pic for 10.5!

Apart from no eucon update in 10.5 it's not a headliner upgrade really, still no UHD for PC which was a major selling point of C10 and it's still not appeared. Horrendous failings from Yamaha/Steinberg.
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Post by beatpete » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:54 pm

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Post by wakevortex » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:59 pm

You're lucky it works at all :-)
I can't get Avid Control to stay connected at all on osx Mojave using the latest EuCon with cubase 10.5 an iPad..it connects, then after 5 seconds disconnects....and just sits there useless....
nothing I try seems to help at all... Protools 12 on the other hand is rock solid using same setup....

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Post by Keyplayer » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:48 pm

wakevortex wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:59 pm
You're lucky it works at all :-)
I can't get Avid Control to stay connected at all on osx Mojave using the latest EuCon with cubase 10.5 an iPad..it connects, then after 5 seconds disconnects....and just sits there useless....
nothing I try seems to help at all... Protools 12 on the other hand is rock solid using same setup....

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Wow!! 😡 I don't know why they don't just admit that they have confiscated Eucon to force everyone to become Pro Tools users. They clearly aren't concerned with anyone using a different platform.
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Keyplayer wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:48 pm
wakevortex wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:59 pm
You're lucky it works at all :-)
I can't get Avid Control to stay connected at all on osx Mojave using the latest EuCon with cubase 10.5 an iPad..it connects, then after 5 seconds disconnects....and just sits there useless....
nothing I try seems to help at all... Protools 12 on the other hand is rock solid using same setup....

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Wow!! 😡 I don't know why they don't just admit that they have confiscated Eucon to force everyone to become Pro Tools users. They clearly aren't concerned with anyone using a different platform.
Because that's not true? Steinberg has been sitting on Eucon updates, not Avid. Avid is now working with Steinberg and Apple to try to get some Eucon updates needed for the S1 working in Cubase and Logic, along with fixing other bugs. Avid is clearly just as interested in selling hardware to users of others DAWs. I mean, the only reason I own an Artist Mix is because Eucon works with Cubase, so they'd be hurting themselves if they tried to force me to Pro Tools cause it ain't happening.

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Post by wakevortex » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:26 pm

Ironically, Im a protools user who has just migrated to Cubase , !!! (well I use both to be fair) but it is perplexing that Steinberg would drag their heels on something which enhances their product significantly , given that Avid (unusually) are trying to move it forward :-)

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Post by beatpete » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:02 pm

wakevortex wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:59 pm
You're lucky it works at all :-)
I can't get Avid Control to stay connected at all on osx Mojave using the latest EuCon with cubase 10.5 an iPad..it connects, then after 5 seconds disconnects....and just sits there useless....
nothing I try seems to help at all... Protools 12 on the other hand is rock solid using same setup....

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Have you tried the latest release (Eucon 19_12_1_23_106562)? Working well here...
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Post by wakevortex » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:27 am

Yes..Ive been looking for that but it seems the PC version is one ahead of the osx version which has not been updated yet !
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Post by currentsound » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:41 pm

I have been wanting EQ and compressor cycling from the Avid Artist Mix and Control Units since forever. Maybe one day... For now we have to manually select them.

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Post by chednb » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:35 pm

Come on guys, lets contact the Avid and Steinberg support, informing about all these issues! These are partly exist for YEARS!
If enough support requests show up, then we maybe have a "bigger voice" and get recognized. Allthough there is Eddie (Avid support) in the Avid forum, I think complaining here in the forum doesn't get us further. The proper people need to know that we have to workaround these bugs every day and that we payed lots of money for their products. So hopefully they are responsible enough to serve us with appropriate updates in the near future.
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