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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Mrhehon » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:09 am

Chizzler wrote:
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Ridiculous statement? That's a bit silly, rude and 100% wrong. VariAudio 3 doesn't and cant't possibly compare with Melodyne Editor or Studio. Aside from the quality and lack of artefacts, there is polyphonic editing. VariAudio 3 doesn't have polyphonic audio editing, so how could it compare? You seriously can't be that witless surely? It's like comparing apples and oranges, that's why I said you couldn't compare, unless of course I've missed something and VariAudio now offers polyphonic editing?
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Vasyl » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:47 pm

skijumptoes wrote:
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The reason they haven't been able to is because of supporting Windows 7 OS which they no longer are for 10.5 - 10.5 is when the HiDPI adjustments are coming. That's what I read.
I got that impression also, but then - Is Studio One managing it? I ask as that supports Win 7.
not sure what about Windows 7, but currently have two machines with Windows 10 and S1, one with 130% and other with some else ratio.
I've seen no major problems yet, DAW and stock plugins look nice. 3rd-party plugins seem not to be upscaled and that sometimes is arguably better than scaling on Retina Macs, but YMMV.

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Nuieve » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:56 am

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Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:40 pm
Yes, but VariAudio is a bit rubbish though. You couldn't seriously compare it to Melodyne or Revoice Pro. But yes, I agree it's what works for you and Cubase finally no longer works for me. It might do in the future and the other DAW's might prove to be 'more worse' than Cubase, but I'm not finding that so far, since I stepped out of The Cave. I can't be doing with shelving out cash to a developer that doesn't deliver on their marketing claptrap, they've always had a bit of leeway but over the past few years, they've just crashed as far as I'm concerned.
I have both Melodyne and Autotune that I used before I upgraded to C10 with its VA3.

VA3 wiped the floor with those with the type of vocals I work with (female soprano and alto). Both Autotune and Melodyne have 10x the artefact number when I edit the quite imperfect vocals. VA3 can achieve a clean comp without any pretty much. With AT or Melodyne I can't achieve an artefact-free comp. Just my anecdotal experience.

Not to mention that it's integrated. I haven't touched either AT or Melodyne since the first week of C10 ownership when I did a lot of A/Bing AT/Melodyne/VA3 before settling on VA3. YMMV of course

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Tj99 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:58 am

Tried Melodyne many times and compared it to VA3 since it came out. Find it a lot easier (even with ARA) to fix tuning issues in VariAudio. And I find there is less artifacts going on on VA3 as well. Yes it cannot do polyphonic stuff and stretching/timing edits could be better, but if only pitch correction is needed VA3 is the clear winner for me.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Funkybot » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:03 pm

Anyone able to post some compares? I'd be very curious to hear a vocal get some tuning with some of the various methods and hearing the end results. Also, are we talking light tuning, or full on creation of new harmonies or melodies? I came to Cubase from Studio One so I'm just used to Melodyne and never took Variaudio seriously as a result, but it sounds like I should give it a shot.

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by In_Stereo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm

Weighing in on the Variaudio/Melodyne debate. I use both, and have for years, and find that on the whole Variaudio has less artifacts than Melodyne, but only when used subtly instead of drastic changes. My song production partner is on Pro Tools and only uses Melodyne, and he (like me) lament how on some vocals Melodyne messes with the high end, whereas Variaudio rarely does that (again, when used for a half or a whole step fix, mostly) -- we often end up tuning/fixing vocals with Variaudio instead. The latest Variaudio is a joy to use for me (I'm also very experienced in Melodyne and enjoy that as far as actual use as well, but it's not integrated with Cubase like Variaudio, obviously,), and if Cubase had it in-line instead of in a separate window it would be a major improvement to something that's already great. Melodyne is great, too, in its own ways.

I personally do not want Steinberg to spend the time and effort to make Variaudio multitimbral, but that's just my opinion because it's something I rarely need to use. I understand that others have other needs.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by skijumptoes » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:05 pm

In_Stereo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm
I personally do not want Steinberg to spend the time and effort to make Variaudio multitimbral, but that's just my opinion because it's something I rarely need to use. I understand that others have other needs.
I think they will as Variaudio ties in to chord track so seemlessly. I.e. if you create harmony tracks using the built in functions it creates single voice audio tracks that are set to follow chord track, and thus you can change the chord progressions and immediately get a taste on how harmonies would change. So outside of tuning/fixing abilities it's very strong for song composition - something melodyne/ara2 doesn't/can't achieve.

I cannot see how Steinberg aren't planning to take this forward with poly instruments, it just seems a logical step regardless of what majority of users want.. From a development viewpoint they must have a team who's sole work is with Variaudio who will carry this further as it's their job to improve it.

In fact, it wasn't until ARA2 support that i started using melodyne again and realised how far Variaudio has come in comparison... So perhaps SB know best? :)

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Aldersyde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:21 pm

Melodyne for me is easier to use, especially because it is better at reading vibrato as part of the note as opposed to a series of notes at the tail end in Variaudio.

I also find the GUI more pleasant to look at and more organized as well and the options are more helpful in getting the end result I am looking for.

I'm not hearing the better quality in Variaudio but maybe i have not listened closely enough.

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Aldersyde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:22 pm

Aldersyde wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:21 pm
Melodyne for me is easier to use, especially because it is better at reading vibrato as part of the note as opposed to a series of short notes at the tail end that i always see in Variaudio.

I also find the GUI more pleasant to look at and more organized as well and the options are more helpful in getting the end result I am looking for.

I'm not hearing the better quality in Variaudio but maybe i have not listened closely enough.

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by In_Stereo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:55 pm

Aldersyde wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:21 pm


I'm not hearing the better quality in Variaudio but maybe i have not listened closely enough.
I'm sure plenty will say that Melodyne sounds better to them, as we can see on any forum. It sounds great at times, but at other times it does a weird thing to the high end which I've heard on multiple systems. My hearing is OCD though -- I hear way too much for my own good, hahaha.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by musicproducerunik » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:14 pm

Can somebody please provide. 10.0.30 for download? All my Sessions crash since the update and i need to finish serious work. please !

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by silhouette » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:15 pm

You can simply roll back the installation. I am not at home for a while so don't know the precise location in Windows 10, as I have been using windows 8.1, but have now upgraded to 10 and am not familiar with it yet. Should be somewhere in Apps.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by skijumptoes » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:32 pm

musicproducerunik wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:14 pm
Can somebody please provide. 10.0.30 for download? All my Sessions crash since the update and i need to finish serious work. please !
Go to the old style Programs and Features screen in windows:

Copy and Paste this into the address bar in File Explorer (Not internet explorer) to get there quick:
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Programs and Features

Then click the 'View Installed Updates' link text in the top left.

From the installed updates list you'll have the 10.0.40 update as an uninstallable option.

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by musicproducerunik » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:06 pm

i'm on macos. can somebody please provide the 10.0.3 installer full. PLEASE i've been working without a single crash for months, i'm in the middle of a high profile production and 10.0.4 is crashing all the time for no apparent reason (haven't changed anyhting beside cubase)

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by AP » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:04 pm

musicproducerunik wrote:
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i'm on macos. can somebody please provide the 10.0.3 installer full. PLEASE i've been working without a single crash for months, i'm in the middle of a high profile production and 10.0.4 is crashing all the time for no apparent reason (haven't changed anyhting beside cubase)
You might need to update your plugins / VSTi. As suggested by Martin Jirsak.
That’s what I did and it fixed my crashes. Try that first...

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by musicproducerunik » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:47 am

thanks for you answer. unfortunately i do not have the time to update 700+ plugins just because a minor daw update crashes my projects. it's really as simple as installing back the 0.3 version which i can't find online. if anyone has it, please share ir with me. thank you

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by hjwinge » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:11 am

musicproducerunik wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:47 am
thanks for you answer. unfortunately i do not have the time to update 700+ plugins just because a minor daw update crashes my projects. it's really as simple as installing back the 0.3 version which i can't find online. if anyone has it, please share ir with me. thank you
i sent you a PM, hope it works!
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Joe90 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:30 am

Mrhehon wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:09 am
Chizzler wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:36 pm
Ridiculous statement? That's a bit silly, rude and 100% wrong. VariAudio 3 doesn't and cant't possibly compare with Melodyne Editor or Studio. Aside from the quality and lack of artefacts, there is polyphonic editing. VariAudio 3 doesn't have polyphonic audio editing, so how could it compare? You seriously can't be that witless surely? It's like comparing apples and oranges, that's why I said you couldn't compare, unless of course I've missed something and VariAudio now offers polyphonic editing?
Just wow. It´s posts from arrogant (having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities) people like this that keep a lot of Cubase users from using this forum.
Yup.

I comp and mix vocals for a living at a professional level. I use a number of DAW's including Cubase and I'm well versed in V.A and melodyne.

I love Melodyne, but V.A is not only often MORE transparent for vocal editing, it's also MUCH quicker to work with - mainly due to the fact that all the tool handles are available right there on the waveform (maybe you didn't know about toggling the extra smart controls), you don't need to keep switching through the various tools in Melodyne (15 or so I believe?!), plus editing multiple parts together is a breeze, don't need to keep checking whether your in 'clip mode' or not, plus the key commands match up with the host (simple things like ctrl+shift+click to play from mouse cursor - can't do that in melodyne which is infuriating). VA is also much better integrated into Cubase obviously, as it's native. Not to mention that Melodyne has had issues with losing it's internal data on reloading projects with various DAW's on and off for YEARS - check any of these DAW's forums and you'll see the graveyard of melodyne error message posts, where as VA has never caused a single issue for me. Melodyne workflow for most pro users I know using it is - load up melodyne via ARA - do your melodyne work, check it, make a backup of the raw melodyned file, then BOUNCE, because when you load that project back up there's a chance that melodyne data won't be there any more.

There are a number of reasons for 'Chizzler'.

If you are polyphonic editing then yes obviously melodyne is better, as VA can't do this... for monophonic audio editing though, VA still wins for me. Timing control is also slightly better in melodyne as you can move the 'blobs' rather than just compress/stretch them - although because VA is so smoothly integrated it's very easy to just do your timing edits on the main page using cuts/slip editing and all your VA info is still retained in the edited audio.

The fact that this users acts so incredulous (and frankly downright rude) about the suggestion that VA could be better for these tasks, suggests that they actually don't really know how to use it all, or think that MOST people are using melodyne/VA for pitching polyphonic material? Not vocals?

Hmm....
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