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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:28 am
by Puma0382
Jim Beam wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:38 am

I guess real ARA 2 integration will be a loooong way :(
They could surprise us with a v10.0.50 - ahead of the next big 10.5 release... maybe... :)

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:22 am
by Sonik
Jim Beam wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:38 am
Bummer... none of theses were fixed:

- Comping: ARA 2 activated on events on lanes (comping) can cause Cubase to freeze. Render the tracks first, then use ARA 2

- Fades and gain on events: Fades and gain changes on events having ARA 2 activated will not be processed by the ARA 2 plug-in. Render the tracks first, then use ARA 2

I guess real ARA 2 integration will be a loooong way :(
:(

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:58 pm
by Maincat
It's worrying that the eLicenser software installed by 10.0.40 is out of date. I've had to download the latest version and install it.

A bad mistake Steinberg.

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:58 pm
by msy
ckon wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:39 am
Steve Helstrip wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:14 am
Still no fix for broken Sampler Track file location after Backup Project :roll:

viewtopic.php?f=286&t=165711
Well, i don't expect much these days from Steinberg regarding this kind of issue, could be a year a way! Alongside paid upgrade............
Yea, that's a huge bug. I lost all samples that was used with Sampler Tracks in a project because of that... Cubase tries to open the samples from OLD folders which I had deleted after backing up the project. It is the same in 9.5. Cubase 10 demo expired before I had the time to test it so thanks for the confirmation.

I wonder if the DOP bug where original files are sometimes overwritten and UNDO won't work exists in Cubase 10 still..?

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:33 pm
by Rob Elliott
Maincat wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:58 pm
It's worrying that the eLicenser software installed by 10.0.40 is out of date. I've had to download the latest version and install it.

A bad mistake Steinberg.

I have downloaded and installed the LATEST e-lic software AHEAD of this CB update - will updating now 'undo' this and push me back to an out-of-date e-lic version?

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:49 pm
by skijumptoes
Rob Elliott wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:33 pm
I have downloaded and installed the LATEST e-lic software AHEAD of this CB update - will updating now 'undo' this and push me back to an out-of-date e-lic version?
That's what happened to me, so yes - you'll see it install as you update. Poor show from Steinberg. :(

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:09 pm
by Rudie Vissenberg
Rudie Vissenberg wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:11 pm
After installing the 10.0.40 update I can't get any audio or even any audio activity from Cubase. I even tried 9.5 but also there. I see no audio activity at all in Cubase and no sound coming out of the system. I do get audio when I use another app and from webpages. I have a UR12 and reinstalled the yamaha driver and checked all the settings in Cubase but I cannot see any problem. The UR12 is the only active sound card. The only weird behaviour I see when I open a file is that the screen: loading vst mixer is flashing like crazy, which it never did before.

Cubase is *knuf* up but cannot find the cause. Please reply quick!
after reinstalling Cubase from a freshly downloaded file, still no result. Windows settings were all good. Then I started looking at the files I used. I used mostly Symphonic Orchestra and I could not play any of the samples.
Turns out that the update destroyed the file with the locations settings for Symphonic Orchestra. After relocating them and a restart of Cubase everything works again.
Very sloppy update. Not amused.

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:42 pm
by Rob Elliott
skijumptoes wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:49 pm
Rob Elliott wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:33 pm
I have downloaded and installed the LATEST e-lic software AHEAD of this CB update - will updating now 'undo' this and push me back to an out-of-date e-lic version?
That's what happened to me, so yes - you'll see it install as you update. Poor show from Steinberg. :(

Well that's a shame. :(

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:45 pm
by Rhino
James K wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 am
Looks like they are saving that fix for the 10.5 paid upgrade. Unfortunately this is common practice.
no, this would be extremely bad practice, false advertising - if it were true.
Steinberg announced ARA for C10, not some crippled lookalike.
but I expect them to play catch up with Studio One and fix ARA / Melodyne in 10.0.50 - all the current bugs and no-gos, and most of all, tempo detection :!:
they can't afford to play second fiddle with such a 1:1 comparable feature.
The reference standard for music production software
as the product page says ...

Rhino

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:51 pm
by Invicta
With regard to the wrong elicenser version, I did this (you need winrar installed on your system):
- right click on "Cubase_10.0.40_Update_win.exe"
- select 'Open with winrar'
- Navigate to 'Cubase 10 Update\Additional Content\Copy Protection Driver' folder
- replace 'eLicenserControlSetup.exe' with latest version (6.11.8.9256)
- Close winrar and update Cubase without elicenser problem

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:27 pm
by Prock
skijumptoes wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:49 pm
Rob Elliott wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:33 pm
I have downloaded and installed the LATEST e-lic software AHEAD of this CB update - will updating now 'undo' this and push me back to an out-of-date e-lic version?
That's what happened to me, so yes - you'll see it install as you update. Poor show from Steinberg. :(
As I reported in a different topic...
I also updated to the latest eLCC software (v6.11.8.9256) prior to updating to 10.0.40. The CB update did not change the eLCC to a previous version. Weird.

Regards. 8-)

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:28 pm
by skijumptoes
Rhino wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:45 pm
no, this would be extremely bad practice, false advertising - if it were true.
Steinberg announced ARA for C10, not some crippled lookalike.
Yeah it's a bigger shame as it came so late in the C10 life cycle too (Presuming C10.5 hits when we expect)... And was a big part of many users upgrading.

I'd like to think that maybe if enough people made a stink they would offer good pricing on the upgrade to C10.5.. Me personally, i can't see myself jumping on C10.5 straight away based on the long dev time for C10... But we'll see what it offers before jumping too many conclusions.. But yeah, they need to think about the effect this has on people's mindsets of upgrading on day one or not.

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:30 pm
by skijumptoes
Prock wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:27 pm
I also updated to the latest eLCC software (v6.11.8.9256) prior to updating to 10.0.40. The update did not change the eLCC to a previous version. Weird.
Yeah that really is strange, did you not get any kind of install notification for eLCC when upgrading to 10.0.40? I updated within an hour or two of the update going up, so perhaps it's something they've since fixed?

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:47 pm
by Rhino
skijumptoes wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:28 pm
Yeah it's a bigger shame as it came so late in the C10 life cycle too (Presuming C10.5 hits when we expect)... And was a big part of many users upgrading.

I'd like to think that maybe if enough people made a stink they would offer good pricing on the upgrade to C10.5.. Me personally, i can't see myself jumping on C10.5 straight away based on the long dev time for C10... But we'll see what it offers before jumping too many conclusions.. But yeah, they need to think about the effect this has on people's mindsets of upgrading on day one or not.
like I wrote, Melodyne & ARA in general are a big fish for many users - presumably future customers as well, many of which already own Melodyne and want to keep on working with it, just like they did in Studio One, for example

so I'm optimistic Steinberg will get this right, as advertised for C10. :D

peace,
Rhino

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:50 pm
by Prock
skijumptoes wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:30 pm
Prock wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:27 pm
I also updated to the latest eLCC software (v6.11.8.9256) prior to updating to 10.0.40. The update did not change the eLCC to a previous version. Weird.
Yeah that really is strange, did you not get any kind of install notification for eLCC when upgrading to 10.0.40? I updated within an hour or two of the update going up, so perhaps it's something they've since fixed?
I did not notice any kind of eLCC installation notification during this update. I estimate that I downloaded/installed the CB update maybe 6 hours or so after the release.

I have complained numerous times to Steinberg about the eLCC getting "downgraded" to an older version during CB updates. I was told that the CB installer checks for a newer version of the eLCC and it will install it. For me, that was not the case until about a year ago when my eLCC version stopped being downgraded. Who knows... Steinberg should review for sure.

Regards. 8-)

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:46 pm
by Rhino
Prock wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:50 pm
I did not notice any kind of eLCC installation notification during this update. I estimate that I downloaded/installed the CB update maybe 6 hours or so after the release.

I have complained numerous times to Steinberg about the eLCC getting "downgraded" to an older version during CB updates. I was told that the CB installer checks for a newer version of the eLCC and it will install it. For me, that was not the case until about a year ago when my eLCC version stopped being downgraded. Who knows... Steinberg should review for sure.
it used to be different in the past.
I went back and forth with support about this exact topic around C6 or something.
in the end they confirmed that while the installer visually pretended to uninstall a newer ELC version, it actually did not touch it ! :o
it did however upgrade older versions, as expected.
so - bad UI, but functionally solid.
I tried it myself, it was definitely true.
if even that quirky functionality is broken now, thats bad news - time for a substantial fix !
Im holding off on 10.0.40 until then, not much in there that would help with my main gripes anyway, afaics.
ymmv,
Rhino

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:17 pm
by etchell
About the eLicenser issue: I saw during the installation of the update installer on my 10.0.30 system / Windows 10 Pro / 1903 (without the latest feature KB) that eLicenser software was installed/updated, which surprised me. As usually, I started the eLicencer control center after the update and it threw a couple of errors about too old / outdated files and components. Then I downloaded the latest eLicenser installer from Steinberg and installed it and after that the control center opened with no errors. Also CB 10.0.40 opened without any problems.

Anyways, not very professional and a bit concerning. Should not happen...

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:41 am
by James K
Regarding the elicenser rollback which also happened to me with this update. If Steinberg has a logical reason for doing this I suppose we would appreciate an explanation otherwise it is simply an error on their part and could have been avoided with due care and attention on their part.

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:29 am
by Magnus_N
My experience of this update was identical to etchell's, above. IMHO the elicenser debacle is unfortunate, but not a big deal, since it was so easy to fix.

/Magnus

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:13 pm
by cmbourget
10.0.40 has arrived.

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:13 pm
by Arionas
cmbourget wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:13 pm
10.0.40 has arrived.
2 days ago! ;)

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm
by Rick Waters
Why was this update not officially announced as others have been in the past?

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:08 pm
by Prock
Rick Waters wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm
Why was this update not officially announced as others have been in the past?
+1

Regards. 8-)

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:48 pm
by Chizzler
Rhino wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:45 pm
James K wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 am
Looks like they are saving that fix for the 10.5 paid upgrade. Unfortunately this is common practice.
no, this would be extremely bad practice, false advertising - if it were true.
Steinberg announced ARA for C10, not some crippled lookalike.
but I expect them to play catch up with Studio One and fix ARA / Melodyne in 10.0.50 - all the current bugs and no-gos, and most of all, tempo detection :!:
they can't afford to play second fiddle with such a 1:1 comparable feature.
The reference standard for music production software
as the product page says ...

Rhino
I agree, it would be extremely bad practice and false advertising. The ARA2 implementation in Cubase 10 is a disgrace and it's so flaky, undocumented and missing parts, it's an utter embarrassment. For the first time in about 30 years I'm considering moving on from Cubase to Studio One, which I'm demoing now. That's a really big deal for me, I've stuck with Steinberg through thick and thin and it's only been in recent years I've actually had to join this forum. I've no idea why Steinberg feel they've got to cram in so much half working, useless garbage, but I suspect it's so the marketing department can tick box's, whilst ignoring that the stuff just don't work like it should. I'm just so disappointed with Cubase 10.

Re: 10.0.40 Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:21 am
by skijumptoes
Rick Waters wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm
Why was this update not officially announced as others have been in the past?
Probably as it’s not carrying anything major? I.e. ARA support was quite substantial.
But yeah, it is odd, if it weren’t for the forums I probably wouldn’t have been aware.