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Post by Sonik » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 am

Chizzler wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:48 pm
Rhino wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:45 pm
James K wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 am
Looks like they are saving that fix for the 10.5 paid upgrade. Unfortunately this is common practice.
no, this would be extremely bad practice, false advertising - if it were true.
Steinberg announced ARA for C10, not some crippled lookalike.
but I expect them to play catch up with Studio One and fix ARA / Melodyne in 10.0.50 - all the current bugs and no-gos, and most of all, tempo detection :!:
they can't afford to play second fiddle with such a 1:1 comparable feature.
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I agree, it would be extremely bad practice and false advertising. The ARA2 implementation in Cubase 10 is a disgrace and it's so flaky, undocumented and missing parts, it's an utter embarrassment. For the first time in about 30 years I'm considering moving on from Cubase to Studio One, which I'm demoing now. That's a really big deal for me, I've stuck with Steinberg through thick and thin and it's only been in recent years I've actually had to join this forum. I've no idea why Steinberg feel they've got to cram in so much half working, useless garbage, but I suspect it's so the marketing department can tick box's, whilst ignoring that the stuff just don't work like it should. I'm just so disappointed with Cubase 10.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by James K » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:16 am

skijumptoes wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:21 am
Rick Waters wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm
Why was this update not officially announced as others have been in the past?
Probably as it’s not carrying anything major? I.e. ARA support was quite substantial.
But yeah, it is odd, if it weren’t for the forums I probably wouldn’t have been aware.

They haven't even announced Groove Agent 5 on the Groove Agent forum and how long has it been out now?
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by ensoniq_ts10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:14 am

Sonik wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 am
Chizzler wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:48 pm
Rhino wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:45 pm

no, this would be extremely bad practice, false advertising - if it were true.
Steinberg announced ARA for C10, not some crippled lookalike.
but I expect them to play catch up with Studio One and fix ARA / Melodyne in 10.0.50 - all the current bugs and no-gos, and most of all, tempo detection :!:
they can't afford to play second fiddle with such a 1:1 comparable feature.

as the product page says ...

Rhino
I agree, it would be extremely bad practice and false advertising. The ARA2 implementation in Cubase 10 is a disgrace and it's so flaky, undocumented and missing parts, it's an utter embarrassment. For the first time in about 30 years I'm considering moving on from Cubase to Studio One, which I'm demoing now. That's a really big deal for me, I've stuck with Steinberg through thick and thin and it's only been in recent years I've actually had to join this forum. I've no idea why Steinberg feel they've got to cram in so much half working, useless garbage, but I suspect it's so the marketing department can tick box's, whilst ignoring that the stuff just don't work like it should. I'm just so disappointed with Cubase 10.
I did the transition to Studio One 4.5 after de 1st failure about ARA and some annoying bugs...
ditching cubase crosses my mind many times. I was considering Reaper or StudioOne.
If I was on Mac I would defined chose logic due to quality of its virtual drums and virtual instruments.

But I keep giving steinberg another chance over and over again
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Chizzler » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:32 am

ensoniq_ts10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:14 am
Sonik wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 am
Chizzler wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:48 pm


I agree, it would be extremely bad practice and false advertising. The ARA2 implementation in Cubase 10 is a disgrace and it's so flaky, undocumented and missing parts, it's an utter embarrassment. For the first time in about 30 years I'm considering moving on from Cubase to Studio One, which I'm demoing now. That's a really big deal for me, I've stuck with Steinberg through thick and thin and it's only been in recent years I've actually had to join this forum. I've no idea why Steinberg feel they've got to cram in so much half working, useless garbage, but I suspect it's so the marketing department can tick box's, whilst ignoring that the stuff just don't work like it should. I'm just so disappointed with Cubase 10.
I did the transition to Studio One 4.5 after de 1st failure about ARA and some annoying bugs...
ditching cubase crosses my mind many times. I was considering Reaper or StudioOne.
If I was on Mac I would defined chose logic due to quality of its virtual drums and virtual instruments.

But I keep giving steinberg another chance over and over again
In truth, Cubase is so huge and offers so much that fails to deliver properly on every release. I use 3rd party VSTs and VSTi's that I only really use Cubase now as a recording and mixing base shell, because of the poor quality control, it is shaky, even with the basics like automation and stuff that is really basic that they should have nailed down years ago. I learned the hard way and I'm now at the stage where even using Cubase as a basic recording and mixing shell is full of problems and so, unfortunately that's just the end for me.

In the last few years, I've continued to pay out for new versions of Cubase that don't deliver and are full of bugs. This sort of fake, half delivery on promises has driven me to distraction. Money is precious and increasingly hard to come by in this present environment and paying for stuff that just never delivers properly is insufferable. They've done that for many, many years and now, at last, that has become unacceptable for a larger amount of people and those people are leaving for other Developers that deliver more closely to what they advertise. I can foresee in the near future company's like Izotope will launch DAWS that have modular attachments like Neutron and Ozone, with 3rd Party plugins and modules bolting on seamlessly, like ARA2 was meant to in Cubase. But hasn't.

I understand Steinberg are offering lookalike versions of outstanding 3rd party apps like Melodyne and Revoice Pro and many others, but the offering is so cut down, badly implemented and full of bugs and not properly documented it's just a waste of money. I imagine they'll introduce something like Izotope's Neutron 3 or Ozone 8, but in the traditional Steinberg way, and just like the new ARA2 attempt, they'll be pale and insipid imitations, full of bugs and no go areas and little documentation. Also, I'm finding it isn't the 3rd Party plugins that are failing, it's Cubase, because probably like most people, I have a couple of DAWs running in demo where the same plugins that upset Cubase, run flawlessly in those DAWs.

I'd pay for a super stable modular version of Cubase, just a stable base recording and mixing version without all the average and unexciting content and instruments and plugins. Just a base to have all my professional 3rd Party VST's and VSTI's in and not some giant, lumbering ozymandian creation, full of bugs and workarounds. Sorry it's come to this Steinberg, I really am, I've been faithful for many years. I was a fanboy for Cubase and until recent years wouldn't have said a word against them. I know it works for some folks, but I think I'm at the end of my journey with Steinberg. Sorry for the lengthy outpouring, but this is a major thing for me as I've been using Cubase for most of my and it's life, so yes, I'm upset!
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by MrSoundman » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:33 pm

Chizzler wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:32 am
I'd pay for a super stable modular version of Cubase
+1, in fact, back in the days before Cubase SX this was in fact possible, you could turn off the features you didn't need. I suppose the modern take on this could be a cheap or even free basic version, but then, through something like "in-app purchases", you'd just buy the modules you need, with the option to switch them off when you don't.

Now there's and idea for Cubase 11 :D
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by skijumptoes » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:49 pm

I've only recently come back to Cubase and love it. All other DAWs gave me serious issues that didn't fit my workflow and hardware.

REAPER was awful with my Waves plugins, the UI would stutter and controls wouldn't automate. Plus a lot of tools that I expect in an audio suite were community driven, and thus hit and miss as to their operation.

I'd find myself setting up items and customising the software more than actually making music!

Studio One couldn't process SysEx (needed for control of my synths) or Poly Aftertouch (For V Drums). And Mackie support was limited to only 8 parameters.

Logic was tying me in to Mac eco system when the hardware choices made sticking wIth it hard. But the big issue I had with Logic was running external MIDI gear, you couldn't select MIDI port on a per-track basis. Only by channel (1-16) basis.

Then you have the others such as Ableton that doesn't have any kind of vocal takes system
and lacks depth for mixing.

Cubase has lead to me being extremely more creative and I love it. I've embraced so many of its features and they're paying dividends.

I don't know what it does different but everything mixes and sounds so damn good.

I get that doesn't echo everyone's experience, but I guess the point is that although the grass looks greener with others DAWs, they all got their problems.

*Steinberg* at least engage quite well with their users, coming from Apple/Logic background this is totally foreign to have such engagement. With Logic you haven't a clue when an update is coming, what may be in it, whether they acknowledge bugs OR if you have to move OS.

For me, Its how good your resulting music sounds as to how you judge each DAW. It's impossible to compare on features alone.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by cmbourget » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:57 pm

Chizzler wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:32 am
ensoniq_ts10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:14 am
Sonik wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 am

I did the transition to Studio One 4.5 after de 1st failure about ARA and some annoying bugs...
ditching cubase crosses my mind many times. I was considering Reaper or StudioOne.
If I was on Mac I would defined chose logic due to quality of its virtual drums and virtual instruments.

But I keep giving steinberg another chance over and over again
In truth, Cubase is so huge and offers so much that fails to deliver properly on every release. I use 3rd party VSTs and VSTi's that I only really use Cubase now as a recording and mixing base shell, because of the poor quality control, it is shaky, even with the basics like automation and stuff that is really basic that they should have nailed down years ago. I learned the hard way and I'm now at the stage where even using Cubase as a basic recording and mixing shell is full of problems and so, unfortunately that's just the end for me.

In the last few years, I've continued to pay out for new versions of Cubase that don't deliver and are full of bugs. This sort of fake, half delivery on promises has driven me to distraction. Money is precious and increasingly hard to come by in this present environment and paying for stuff that just never delivers properly is insufferable. They've done that for many, many years and now, at last, that has become unacceptable for a larger amount of people and those people are leaving for other Developers that deliver more closely to what they advertise. I can foresee in the near future company's like Izotope will launch DAWS that have modular attachments like Neutron and Ozone, with 3rd Party plugins and modules bolting on seamlessly, like ARA2 was meant to in Cubase. But hasn't.

I understand Steinberg are offering lookalike versions of outstanding 3rd party apps like Melodyne and Revoice Pro and many others, but the offering is so cut down, badly implemented and full of bugs and not properly documented it's just a waste of money. I imagine they'll introduce something like Izotope's Neutron 3 or Ozone 8, but in the traditional Steinberg way, and just like the new ARA2 attempt, they'll be pale and insipid imitations, full of bugs and no go areas and little documentation. Also, I'm finding it isn't the 3rd Party plugins that are failing, it's Cubase, because probably like most people, I have a couple of DAWs running in demo where the same plugins that upset Cubase, run flawlessly in those DAWs.

I'd pay for a super stable modular version of Cubase, just a stable base recording and mixing version without all the average and unexciting content and instruments and plugins. Just a base to have all my professional 3rd Party VST's and VSTI's in and not some giant, lumbering ozymandian creation, full of bugs and workarounds. Sorry it's come to this Steinberg, I really am, I've been faithful for many years. I was a fanboy for Cubase and until recent years wouldn't have said a word against them. I know it works for some folks, but I think I'm at the end of my journey with Steinberg. Sorry for the lengthy outpouring, but this is a major thing for me as I've been using Cubase for most of my and it's life, so yes, I'm upset!
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Post by Chizzler » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:18 pm

What do you use now?
I still use Cubase 10 at the moment but have Studio One 4 Pro on demo as well as Reaper. I want to get used to how they behave and interact before making the final jump. For me ARA2 integration and reliability is key, as well as how well the DAW gets on with UAD, Izotope, NI, Arturia and various other VST's I use all the time. I'm impressed with Studio One development methodology and how they're moving forward as well as the quality. It's hard for humans to make fundamental switches, but there comes a point.... As I said, Cubase may be perfect for some, but for me and what I want, it doesn't do it anymore and hasn't for a few years now.
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Post by Funkybot » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:56 am

skijumptoes wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:21 am
Rick Waters wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm
Why was this update not officially announced as others have been in the past?
Probably as it’s not carrying anything major? I.e. ARA support was quite substantial.
But yeah, it is odd, if it weren’t for the forums I probably wouldn’t have been aware.
I mean, it appears in the news feed when you launch Cubase, so it's not like they're hiding it. They just didn't create a new post here for the release (which is weird admittedly). When you think of the percentage of Cubase users that visit these forums versus the percentage that launch the application and will see it on the news feed, I think the former is quite small in comparison.

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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Weasel » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:46 am

I mean, it appears in the news feed when you launch Cubase, so it's not like they're hiding it.
Unless you have deactivated the Hub (Prefs/General/Use Hub) as some people do.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by James K » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:43 am

Weasel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:46 am
I mean, it appears in the news feed when you launch Cubase, so it's not like they're hiding it.
Unless you have deactivated the Hub (Prefs/General/Use Hub) as some people do.

I never use the hub. I prefer email notifications for updates or a notification on the forum from Steinberg.
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greggybud wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:41 am

My take is that Cubase is used in so many different ways for so many different groups of people and it is more feature-rich than any other DAW therefore prone to more bugs.
Perhaps, but then Steinberg should take the issue of fixing them more seriously. It's clearly an amazing piece of software, but maintenance updates and whole version releases fly by with serious bugs left unaddressed.

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Post by skijumptoes » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:57 am

REAPER dwarfs what PLE can do, Everything is an action that can be added to and placed into scripts/buttons/user menus. You can even create an action that can be used within a parent action.

That’s not knocking Cubase in anyway, but to claim no other DAW can do what PLE can, isn’t the whole truth (IMO).

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Post by henrymorris » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:10 pm

hi Rudi:

you wrote:
"after reinstalling Cubase from a freshly downloaded file, still no result. Windows settings were all good. Then I started looking at the files I used. I used mostly Symphonic Orchestra and I could not play any of the samples.
Turns out that the update destroyed the file with the locations settings for Symphonic Orchestra. After relocating them and a restart of Cubase everything works again.
Very sloppy update. Not amused.
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I've had exactly the same problem. Could you please let me know how you 'relocated' the locations settings for Symphonic Orchestra? Thanks!
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Post by Ambientdave » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:04 pm

Been really busy with lots of stuff including looking for a new job.
And just noticed that there is this maintenance update, great :D

Reading the release notes,I had noticed that a lot issues has been fixed, great stuff. Still loads more to do I guess,but then I'm no expert

Have to find some spare time ,and start exploring again.Find my mojo and stuff, and make actual music made with Cubase,lol
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by jimknopf » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:59 pm

skijumptoes wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:49 pm
I've only recently come back to Cubase and love it. All other DAWs gave me serious issues that didn't fit my workflow and hardware.

REAPER was awful with my Waves plugins, the UI would stutter and controls wouldn't automate. Plus a lot of tools that I expect in an audio suite were community driven, and thus hit and miss as to their operation.

I'd find myself setting up items and customising the software more than actually making music!

Studio One couldn't process SysEx (needed for control of my synths) or Poly Aftertouch (For V Drums). And Mackie support was limited to only 8 parameters.

Logic was tying me in to Mac eco system when the hardware choices made sticking wIth it hard. But the big issue I had with Logic was running external MIDI gear, you couldn't select MIDI port on a per-track basis. Only by channel (1-16) basis.

Then you have the others such as Ableton that doesn't have any kind of vocal takes system
and lacks depth for mixing.

Cubase has lead to me being extremely more creative and I love it. I've embraced so many of its features and they're paying dividends.

I don't know what it does different but everything mixes and sounds so damn good.

I get that doesn't echo everyone's experience, but I guess the point is that although the grass looks greener with others DAWs, they all got their problems.

*Steinberg* at least engage quite well with their users, coming from Apple/Logic background this is totally foreign to have such engagement. With Logic you haven't a clue when an update is coming, what may be in it, whether they acknowledge bugs OR if you have to move OS.

For me, Its how good your resulting music sounds as to how you judge each DAW. It's impossible to compare on features alone.
+1 - I couldn't agree more.
Whoever praises alternatives, certainly isn't using a DAW as I do. Despite Cubase's shortcomings and bugs (which are undeniable), I would prefer NONE of the alternatives so far, by quite a margin, and couldn't care less for them.

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Post by GlennO » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:54 pm

skijumptoes wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:49 pm
I've only recently come back to Cubase and love it. All other DAWs gave me serious issues that didn't fit my workflow and hardware.
In my line of work, I have to be familiar with all the major DAWs but for my own music projects, I choose to use Cubase. Just a couple of random notes to add to yours: Studio One lacks a drum editor on par with the one in Cubase. In Logic, trying to use midi-controlled effects is extremely complicated compared to Cubase.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Manike » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:50 am

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Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:25 am
ARA2 works pretty damn well in Studio One.

I'd be pretty surprised if it didn't work with Studio One because Presonus worked with Celemony to create it. I don't think it really needs documentation at this time - there would be very little in there. And to be fair, Steinberg have produced a document of what isn't working in ARA2.

It's got a way to go yet, but I'm happy that they're working towards implementing it.. and the latest update is already much better than the initial implementation only a few months ago.
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Post by Andre » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:06 pm

I am surprised that this updated isn't mentioned on the front page that still shows a previous update or that users didn't get a mail confirmation. I read it this morning on facebook from a user who mentioned this.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Chizzler » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:17 pm

Manike wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:50 am
Chizzler wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:25 am
ARA2 works pretty damn well in Studio One.

I'd be pretty surprised if it didn't work with Studio One because Presonus worked with Celemony to create it. I don't think it really needs documentation at this time - there would be very little in there. And to be fair, Steinberg have produced a document of what isn't working in ARA2.

It's got a way to go yet, but I'm happy that they're working towards implementing it.. and the latest update is already much better than the initial implementation only a few months ago.
So you're saying that because another company has got together with another company and made a good fist of delivering a high positive impact and superb integration and that loads of Users are delighted with the Melodyne and Revoice Pro they can use seamlessly, that gives Steinberg an excuse to deliver a very poor attempt? That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever.

If you bought a chair that advertised and made much of it's outstanding 4 legs and then it arrived at your house, after you paid for it, with two and a half legs instead of the 4 that were advertised and it was made of cardboard instead of wood, you'd be happy with that because they at least 'had a go" and then eventually provided a bit of a document to tell you which leg was incomplete and missing and that it's made of cardboard?' :lol:
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by skijumptoes » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:30 pm

Chizzler wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:17 pm
So you're saying that because another company has got together with another company and made a good fist of delivering a high positive impact and superb integration and that loads of Users are delighted with the Melodyne and Revoice Pro they can use seamlessly, that gives Steinberg an excuse to deliver a very poor attempt? That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever.
Presonus have been working/supporting ARA for 7-8 years, Steinberg are 2-3 months in to Cubase's ARA support. It's nothing to do with 'attempts'.. it's just progression.. All DAWs have had their own struggles with ARA2 integration, you're currently experiencing Steinbergs. Steinberg want this nailed 100% as much as the rest of us.
As for documentation, Melodyne offer documentation on how to use their products via ARA2 in Cubase/Nuendo.... It's not a Steinberg product, remember.

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Post by peakae » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:33 pm

Give them a few years to implement and refine ARA2 integration, that would be reasonable. IMHO
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Post by Chizzler » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:34 pm

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Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:30 pm
Chizzler wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:17 pm
So you're saying that because another company has got together with another company and made a good fist of delivering a high positive impact and superb integration and that loads of Users are delighted with the Melodyne and Revoice Pro they can use seamlessly, that gives Steinberg an excuse to deliver a very poor attempt? That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever.
Presonus have been working/supporting ARA for 7-8 years, Steinberg are 2-3 months in to Cubase's ARA support. It's nothing to do with 'attempts'.. it's just progression.. All DAWs have had their own struggles with ARA2 integration, you're currently experiencing Steinbergs. Steinberg want this nailed 100% as much as the rest of us.
As for documentation, Melodyne offer documentation on how to use their products via ARA2 in Cubase/Nuendo.... It's not a Steinberg product, remember.
For me, your first sentence said it all.
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by Chizzler » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:36 pm

peakae wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:33 pm
Give them a few years to implement and refine ARA2 integration, that would be reasonable. IMHO
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Re: 10.0.40 Update

Post by skijumptoes » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:48 pm

Chizzler wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:34 pm
For me, your first sentence said it all.
Well, don't forget that Cubase had it's own Variaudio developing over that time too. With ARA2 'slooowwwly' coming to Cubae you get the benefits of both.... eventually.... if you don't jump ship. (lol)

But, really it comes down to what works for you personally... I'm happy with Cubase to see ARA2 develop over time... But then i've came FROM Studio One so have a different perspective and list of requirements than yourself. MIDI SysEx and Mackie Support being a big requirement for me.

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