10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

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10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by profezeus » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:49 pm

Hi Steinbergers,

Tracks that are saved as Track Archive XML files no longer retain their Expression Map information anymore when imported and enabled again.
This is a critical feature and worked in 10.0.50 and previous versions.

Here are the steps:

1 - Create a new empty Cubase project.

2 - Create an instrument track.

3 - Create and assign an Expression Map to the track.

4 - Save the track as Track Archive (File > Export > Selected Tracks [It does not matter if Copy or Reference media files are selected or the new compatibility box is checked or not]).

5 - Close the project.

6 - Create another new empty Cubase project.

7 - Import the Track Archive file into the project.

- Result: The Expression Map is gone.

The same is true regardless of the track being disabled or enabled before the export. I normally save (prior to 10.5) many tracks at once in a disabled state and all Expression Maps are restored.

This was not the case in earlier versions and is an integral part of my workflow.
For now, I am forced to continue to work with 10.0.50.

I hope that this is an easy fix and you can include it in the next maintenance update.

Thank you all at Steinberg for your great work with 10.5.
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by Martin.Jirsak » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:13 pm

Hi,

Are you sure this was working in C10.0.50?
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by profezeus » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:03 am

Yes, Martin, I'm absolutely sure.

I'm using it every day in C10.0.50. I've created a whole XML library (Track Archive) for my modular template, consisting of disabled Instrument Track sections that I import into new compositions while arranging or orchestrating. That's the reason why I cannot use C10.5.0 for now until this is fixed.

FYI, it's also working in C9.5.50.
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by BLOODMOON » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:28 pm

That's a good opinion. Also, in my case, the expression map does not function normally as it triggers. During playback, the expression map is randomly initialized and sound gets messed up.
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by Tracker » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am

BLOODMOON wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:28 pm
That's a good opinion. Also, in my case, the expression map does not function normally as it triggers. During playback, the expression map is randomly initialized and sound gets messed up.
Yes, using Kontakt the expression map articulation changes randomly now, disregarding what I have filled in. This didn't happen in Cubase 10. This is obviously real bad for work flow!
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by profezeus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:35 am

Martin, were you able to confirm this bug?
System 1: Custom ADK 9700Z Laptop with 4 internal SSD's, i7-4790K CPU, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface - Windows 8.1 64bit, Cubase Pro 10.5.12 & 10.0.50
System 2: Custom ADK 8600 Laptop with 3 internal SSD's, i7-2820QM CPU, 16GB RAM, RME Babyface - Windows 7 64bit, Cubase Pro 9.5.50
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by Martin.Jirsak » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:35 pm

Hi,

Yes, I can reproduce it. Reported to Steinberg CAN-772.
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by profezeus » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:50 am

Thank you Martin.
System 1: Custom ADK 9700Z Laptop with 4 internal SSD's, i7-4790K CPU, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface - Windows 8.1 64bit, Cubase Pro 10.5.12 & 10.0.50
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by Thomas19 » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:09 pm

I'm totally lost, upgraded to 10.5 and all my expression maps don't show up from Track Archives, like Profezeus says

For me this is a total deal-breaker. I only load sounds from the track archives and have dozens of collections for all kinds of templates. I recently loaded back all the expression maps, and then saved a huge song project (all disabled) just to have something I could use to get back the expression maps, but then I have to start everything with that huge song project instead of just loading whatever I need when I need it.

The track archives is a key feature for me, it loads sounds that are tweaked in every way, volume, panning, CC assignment, grouping, folder, fx, sends, inserts, and so on. But to lose Expression Maps makes Cubase now impossible for me to use.

Should I go back to an earlier version, or is this now fixed?

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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by Martin.Jirsak » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:18 pm

Hi,
Thomas19 wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:09 pm
I'm totally lost, upgraded to 10.5 and all my expression maps don't show up from Track Archives, like Profezeus says

...

Should I go back to an earlier version, or is this now fixed?
As I mentioned, this has been already reported to Steinberg. So now we can hope in a fix.
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by asmi » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:30 pm

So this issue has highlighted the fact that Expression Maps only save in project files, not the program (which I mistakenly put myself under the impression they did). So not only are they not currently recalled with track archives they are not available in project files that don't have them saved within already. And there doesn't seem to be a way to copy them to a different project file or import them in bulk, unless I'm missing something. Maybe the Profiles feature will do it? Searching for these issues or capabilities with expression maps hasn't wielded any results for me. Thanks!
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Re: 10.5 Expression Maps no longer retained

Post by Martin.Jirsak » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:05 am

Hi,
asmi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:30 pm
So not only are they not currently recalled with track archives they are not available in project files that don't have them saved within already.
Could you write step by step use case, please? What was working in the previous Cubase version and doesn't work anymore, please? I mean the project file case.
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