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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by cmbourget » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:15 pm

tubesniffer wrote:
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The new GUI is a pain to be very honest.

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Same with Cubase 10. HORRIBLE interface. It looks like a game or a Garage Band for Hip-Hop. I came back to version 9.5 or Pro Tools. Why always change what is good?
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by cmbourget » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:27 pm

Centralmusic wrote:
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...nevertheless, we should not waste our time with such banalities. (...)
Noteworthy that some users are more interested in the color schemes than the new wonderful N10 features...
But that says a lot.



C.

It's a difference in visual sensitivity. It exists. The one who is insensible does not understand the one who is sensitive. Me, I can not work 8 hours on an interface like the 10. What is needed, since people are different, is to leave the choice. The 9.5 was fine, the 9 left even more freedom on the interface. The 10 is the smallest in possibility. It would be necessary to be able to choose, simply, to widen the freedom of comfort, not to impose on each version different things.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Fredo » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:01 pm

More GUi color/brightness/etc ... preferences are coming with the next update.
And I think you already can get far with tweaking the current parameters.
As far as I remember you should be able to make N10 look exactly like N8 or N2.
Been a while since I've played with the parameters though ... I can be mistaking.

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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Dietz » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:03 pm

Fredo wrote:
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[...] you should be able to make N10 look exactly like [...] N2. [...]
NU2 (or even 5)? Errrr .... no. This would mean to return to a visually "quiet" GUI without stuff flickering nervously as soon as the cursor touches things on fly-by. *cough, cough* ProT**ls ... :roll:
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Dolfo » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:21 pm

I don't like export window now. You must open several options when in N8 you could see all the settings at one sigh, and name of file was highlighted when you opened window.

The "detect silence" window now looks smaller and waveform is not as smooth as before. You can zoom but, why don't can resize window to get the desired size?

Same in track settings window, now is not resizable.

For adjust for example the pre-roll setting, in N8 you simply put the cursor over the number you want to change and with mouse wheel you modify it. Now you have to select it I don't know how because with right click you open the tool dialog and select name at same time :o Then you click outside tool box and can change the number... uf, lots of clicks.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Jim Fox » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:16 am

Looks better here. All text is clearer to read. I use dual monitors 1920x1080 resolution.

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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Fredo » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:27 am

Dolfo wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:21 pm
I don't like export window now. You must open several options when in N8 you could see all the settings at one sigh, and name of file was highlighted when you opened window.
The export window will change in one of the next maintenance releases.
There was no time to have it completed for the initial N10 release.
A few things in the current layout are completely unlogical and contra-intuitive.

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Post by Robin Walsh » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:51 am

I actually like the export window now. It’s smaller, and after spending a little time getting to know it, it’s a pleasure
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by ErikG » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:59 am

White text on dark background is Indeed easier to read in high light viewing conditions. .
However reading text is not what I do when working in Nuendo.
And most sound for video folks do not work in a high light level situation as that makes it hard to see the picture. Mostly we work in low light level situations.

Have you ever tried iBooks or similar reading apps?
Tried the night mode for low light level reading?
What does night mode do?
Invert black and white to make it easier on the eyes in low light level reading situations...

Personally I much prefer the dark gui look compared to PT. PT destroys my night vision.

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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Dolfo » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:44 am

Fredo wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:27 am
Dolfo wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:21 pm
I don't like export window now. You must open several options when in N8 you could see all the settings at one sigh, and name of file was highlighted when you opened window.
The export window will change in one of the next maintenance releases.
There was no time to have it completed for the initial N10 release.
A few things in the current layout are completely unlogical and contra-intuitive.

Fredo
Uf, thanks for the reply Fredo. I work all time in very different kind of projects and the export settings must be changed for every one. I need to see all the settings at one sight.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Heiner Einbier » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:00 pm

To all guys be *witch*' about the new GUI 2 things:
1. You can brighten it up all you want in the prefs.
2. Professionals who work to picture cherish dark GUIs. The first thing I used to do in new versions of Nuendo is darken everything. So I personally, and lots of other folks I'm sure who use Nuendo for a day's work, are quite happy.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Centralmusic » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:19 pm

Heiner Einbier wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:00 pm
To all guys be *witch*' about the new GUI 2 things:
1. You can brighten it up all you want in the prefs.
2. Professionals who work to picture cherish dark GUIs.
The first thing I used to do in new versions of Nuendo is darken everything.
So I personally, and lots of other folks I'm sure who use Nuendo for a day's work, are quite happy.
+1.

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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by smrproductions » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:25 am

Fredo wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:27 am

The export window will change in one of the next maintenance releases.
There was no time to have it completed for the initial N10 release.
A few things in the current layout are completely unlogical and contra-intuitive.

Fredo
Hopefully the export window becomes resizable as well like it was in N8.
The size of the cycle marker selection in the export window is smaller than before and if you have lots of similar names markers that are only different towards the end you can't tell the difference. You can't even scroll horizontally across the cycle marker names.

Also bugs me that Channel Settings window can no longer be resized either. It used to be in N8. Hopefully that's another one on the to be fixed list.

And while I'm at it, in the markers window if you press the up and down arrow to select a different marker it also changes the selected track in the background and you can no longer press enter to edit the marker name.

On the plus side I really like the darker interface overall, just feels a little unfinished and buggy.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by lordExtra » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:48 am

Fredo wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:01 pm
More GUi color/brightness/etc ... preferences are coming with the next update.
And I think you already can get far with tweaking the current parameters.
As far as I remember you should be able to make N10 look exactly like N8 or N2.
Been a while since I've played with the parameters though ... I can be mistaking.

Fredo
Now THIS is good news!
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by tubesniffer » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:08 am

cmbourget wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:27 pm
Centralmusic wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:04 am
...nevertheless, we should not waste our time with such banalities. (...)
Noteworthy that some users are more interested in the color schemes than the new wonderful N10 features...
But that says a lot.



C.

It's a difference in visual sensitivity. It exists. The one who is insensible does not understand the one who is sensitive. Me, I can not work 8 hours on an interface like the 10. What is needed, since people are different, is to leave the choice. The 9.5 was fine, the 9 left even more freedom on the interface. The 10 is the smallest in possibility. It would be necessary to be able to choose, simply, to widen the freedom of comfort, not to impose on each version different things.
Good point.

Now I expect from a professional product / company to find and solve the root cause, to deliver a certain continuity
for _all_ customers to make it possible to upgrade and work free of any stress.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by lordExtra » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:53 pm

In my humble opinion, customisation is key to this never ending story.

Whether dark or bright GUI, the most important thing in any GUI is visual separation of the individual sections, as long as those are meaningfully organised to begin with.

In my experience, icons make limited sense if screen real estate is abundant. Text on buttons is always more self explanatory hence faster to grasp.
Both make sense in their respective context...I guess it's all in the mix ( no pun intended ).

There's loads of vintage GUI paradigms that got lost over the course of history. My all-time favourite is this one:

http://www.erimez.com/misc/Softimage/tu ... select.gif

Note the last entry on the bottom of each menu ( and more importantly, each submenu ): EXIT POPUP

What this does is the following: once invoke a menu, the cursor disappears and the selection is stuck inside the menu's list. In order to close the dialog ( that'd be for instance if you choose not execute a function contained therein ), one would just pull down the mouse and hit the left button...to trigger EXIT POPUP.

This completely eradicates the commonly known problem that you accidentally slip out of menus and submenus, having to painstakingly re-navigate.

It simply prevents this from happening, a HUGE time saver. And it's likewise super fast to exit the menu if you need to, with both the mouse or alternatively ESC ( closes the menu all together ).

I've never come across this brilliant idea anywhere else that in Softimage 3D. Most people go: "huh, how annoying is that?"

well, try it and see for yourself...


Edit: I am just realising this is a bit off topic with respect to EXIT POPUP. It rather addresses UX-related aspects, to which in turn the GUI is integral part off. I simply wanted to stress that, besides stability and feature set, usability is a major contributor to the efficiency of any given software.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by lordExtra » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:54 pm

tubesniffer wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:08 am
cmbourget wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:27 pm
Centralmusic wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:04 am
...nevertheless, we should not waste our time with such banalities. (...)
Noteworthy that some users are more interested in the color schemes than the new wonderful N10 features...
But that says a lot.



C.

It's a difference in visual sensitivity. It exists. The one who is insensible does not understand the one who is sensitive. Me, I can not work 8 hours on an interface like the 10. What is needed, since people are different, is to leave the choice. The 9.5 was fine, the 9 left even more freedom on the interface. The 10 is the smallest in possibility. It would be necessary to be able to choose, simply, to widen the freedom of comfort, not to impose on each version different things.
Good point.

Now I expect from a professional product / company to find and solve the root cause, to deliver a certain continuity
for _all_ customers to make it possible to upgrade and work free of any stress.

Very well put!
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by Dietz » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:34 pm

lordExtra wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:53 pm
[...]
In my experience, icons make limited sense if screen real estate is abundant. Text on buttons is always more self explanatory hence faster to grasp.
[...]
100% agreement! Especially when those icons change their form with every update.
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Re: GUI - Well done!

Post by lordExtra » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:46 pm

Dietz wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:34 pm
lordExtra wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:53 pm
[...]
In my experience, icons make limited sense if screen real estate is abundant. Text on buttons is always more self explanatory hence faster to grasp.
[...]
100% agreement! Especially when those icons change their form with every update.
Thank you, glad I'm not alone on this one.

A prime example is Autodesk Flame, which actually spans over more than 5000 pages of manual. There's hardly any icons in there, and it's amongst the easiest software to operate, in spite of its vast feature set.

https://damassets.autodesk.net/content/ ... 0x1080.jpg
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