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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by NorthWood MediaWorks » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:18 am

Thanks, this got me thinking about my current and former machines.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by NorthWood MediaWorks » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:03 pm

Update: I dont allow my main DAW to visit the internet, but I do use it on my LAN, by disabling the ethernet NIC I gained a much higher rating for real-time, like 35% improved... nice. 8-)

Perhaps this topic should get "stickied"?

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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by peakae » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:32 pm

Steinberg did something with HP a while ago. They were running Cubase on HP workstations like the Z1. I remember all the Mac users commenting very positive. Could be great if one of the big ones like HP or Dell did make a DAW optimized configuration of an existing model.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by Swurveman » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:10 pm

The top software companies in the audio world would do everybody a huge favor by getting together and standardizing a DAW for minimal latency and maximum performance. They should specify recommended video cards, recommended audio interfaces etc. etc and work with the component manufacturers to keep the components focused solely on audio production, or audio/video production if you need that in your DAW. Perhaps every 5-7 years if/when the technology really advances make a new recommendation and have serious users see it as a cost of doing business. Let's face it, it's the wild wild west out there and there are way too many places to have to look to troubleshoot problems. I bought a DAW from a guy who knew what he was doing, but I am having to troubleshoot problems all the time anyway and spend way too much time fixing my computer based problems instead of making music.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by beatfromthesun » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:15 pm

really cool post thanks. had some issues myself this has helped and getting rid of *knuf* norton antivirus! maybe some recommendations for what the best system could be for different budget ranges would be cool in the future as everyones suggesting
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by carloc » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:38 pm

Good to know what Steinberg recommends as a video card. I have nvidia Geforce 8400GS and i have vst performance problem when i do basic editing i.e using scissors etc. The worst is when i use the piano roll or drum editor.

However Steinberg are working for a fix.....i hope it will solve this issue. Lets have fait in the company.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by fiddler2007 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:32 am

Just mentioned something about this to an experienced PC assembler who said, regarding a video editing PC and some nVidia card that he prefers for budget reasons, that he install them with just the bare drivers, not all the x-tra stuff for tuning and gaming, the same as i did with my old radion ATI 5450 card ...

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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by SafeandSound » Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:39 pm

It seems to me it is the non negotiable timing constraints that put the pressure on the real time performance of a DAW. Thanks for sharing the video an informative watch.
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Post by Thal » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:54 am

Haven`t seen a laptop in a serious production environment,always towers as the main computer and laptops for less demanding,helpful tools.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by jconstantine » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:14 am

So what's the video card recommended instead Nvidia?

Don't have problems now but would like to upgrade my ancient one.
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Post by sonicstate » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:01 pm

I think it would be good if Steinberg would give us a list of recommended GPUs, which they tested and are confirmed to work well.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by omniphonix » Tue May 03, 2016 11:17 pm

jconstantine wrote:So what's the video card recommended instead Nvidia?

Don't have problems now but would like to upgrade my ancient one.
I think you will have good luck with any AMD-based card. It's not that Nvidia has bad hardware, it's that they write terrible drivers with regard to DPC latency. I don't think any driver since they got into the 300s has had acceptable DPC latency for DAW usage.

For reference, my old system had a Radeon HD 4850 and my new system has a FirePro W4300. Both have shown near-zero DPC latency.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by GeorgeV » Thu May 05, 2016 10:06 am

Great video, thank you very much for sharing.

The latest update was very stable for me, but I had some spikes on heavier projects.
Following the recommendation to further investigate parts/drivers that may cause problems, I decided to try disabling the on-board wifi in device manager (also disabled bluetooth as I don't use it).
Now my systems runs those heavier projects with no spikes. Great!!!

That makes me think if there's still some room for improvement for my system and if other drivers / parts need to be investigated.
Of course the GPU drivers, which (I think) I found a good nvidia release that is working for me.
The LAN drivers, maybe the on-board soundcard. I'll definitely check disabling those also.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by jconstantine » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:27 am

"I think you will have good luck with any AMD-based card."

Do you think that this "ASUS RADEON HD6450" will improve my system.
Atm I've a GForce 8400gs Nvidia card.

Or should I need something more sophisticated.

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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by Reflection » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:46 am

This http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon program is a huge helper, when it comes to sort out all the conflicts.
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by mart » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:29 am

NorthWood MediaWorks wrote:Update: I dont allow my main DAW to visit the internet, but I do use it on my LAN, by disabling the ethernet NIC I gained a much higher rating for real-time, like 35% improved... nice. 8-)

Perhaps this topic should get "stickied"?
Unfortunately a lot of us use Vienna Ensemble Pro se the NIC card has to be operational. Additionally most studios in 2016 need to be able to Dropbox/WeTransfer etc etc files to and fro daily and with Avid going to Subscription model (and I'm guessing Steinberg will follow) we all need internet connectivity really
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by jconstantine » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:12 pm

Fantastic!

My problem was the network card.
Just disable it at device manager transform my disc cache performance!
Solid rock performance again.

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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by Promedia » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:42 pm

Thanks for sharing,

Very informative!!!

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Post by Norbury Brook » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Also remember all of us who use Euphonix/Avid control surfaces need to have Networking enabled as the Eucon protocol uses Ethernet.

I have two LAN connections active all the time;
1: going to a network switch for my Euphonix controllers
2: regular Lan connection to my internet router for File transfers etc.



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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by Gius » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:05 pm

+1 to follow this post
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I'm getting great performance with my computer. I build it myself so I could combine great CPU (i7 extreme) and RAM (32gb)

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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by Svenne » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:35 pm

How about if Steinberg supported it's user community with benchmark test for computer models (both Mac and PC) specifically designed to test the performance of Cubase and Nuendo?
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Post by aptmusic9 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:58 am

Svenne wrote:How about if Steinberg supported it's user community with benchmark test for computer models (both Mac and PC) specifically designed to test the performance of Cubase and Nuendo?
We need this. I want to know what motherboards have the lowest DPC latency. There are so many different CPU choices, it seems like Steinberg could fairly easily come out with recommendations. Perhaps that an i7 with high clock speed is performing better than a 10 core xeon at lower clock speed etc (just as an example)
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Re: A must-watch for users with real-time issues!

Post by daveblue222 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:25 pm

I didn't realize a better graphics card would make much of a difference in Cubase. I currently have a Sapphire 5450 1gb card in use, should I upgrade to a 2gb card? Also I am hesitant to buy a card that utilizes fan cooling as this would implement more noise to my recording environment.

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Post by Mic2002 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:27 am

Swurveman wrote:The top software companies in the audio world would do everybody a huge favor by getting together and standardizing a DAW for minimal latency and maximum performance. They should specify recommended video cards, recommended audio interfaces etc. etc and work with the component manufacturers to keep the components focused solely on audio production, or audio/video production if you need that in your DAW. Perhaps every 5-7 years if/when the technology really advances make a new recommendation and have serious users see it as a cost of doing business. Let's face it, it's the wild wild west out there and there are way too many places to have to look to troubleshoot problems. I bought a DAW from a guy who knew what he was doing, but I am having to troubleshoot problems all the time anyway and spend way too much time fixing my computer based problems instead of making music.
I'm amazed that the Steinberg (for example) don't see the market for a hardware based system (ie not a PC) I remember a few years ago when Roland went close by offering a hardware audio recorder with a simple monitor setup and mouse. Really that should be it. I have a Sky Box at home - it can record full HD picture and 5.1 sound at the same time and is a few hundred £. In my dreams I see a Steinberg DAW black box with Cubase hardcoded into it that should have very little chance of glitching or anything else. Connect that to a monitor and there you go. PC's are russian roulette when it comes to finding a stable audio platform.
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