Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

General discussions on songwriting, mixing, music business and other music related topics.
Post Reply
easybullet3
New Member
Posts: 33
Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:28 pm
Contact:

Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by easybullet3 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:52 pm

Newbie:

Hallion Sonic SE 3 seems pretty good, but I'm wondering if it's silly to also get Kontakt ?

My Questions:
DO you find Kontakt easier/harder to use than Hallion Sonic ?
Would Kontakt slow down my Cubase (because too many plugins ?
Do they both (more-a-less) cover similar types of sounds ?

Thanks
Windows 7 (64-bit) Desktop
Condenser Mic (Studio Projects C1) plugged into Audio Interface (M-Audio Fast Track II)
Casio Privia PX-330 Digital Piano connected by USB to Computer.
Cubase 10 Pro

svennilenni
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 3840
Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by svennilenni » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm

Wrong forum.

easybullet3
New Member
Posts: 33
Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:28 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by easybullet3 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm

svennilenni wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
Wrong forum.
I have seen Youtube Videos of people using Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
So I want to know opinions from people that use Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
Windows 7 (64-bit) Desktop
Condenser Mic (Studio Projects C1) plugged into Audio Interface (M-Audio Fast Track II)
Casio Privia PX-330 Digital Piano connected by USB to Computer.
Cubase 10 Pro

User avatar
mhazdra
New Member
Posts: 26
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:08 am
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by mhazdra » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:37 pm

OK it has been said many times . . .

It depends what you are trying to do.

There are some excellent instruments that run in Kontakt : Spitfire Edna is one that I am looking at.
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/edna-earth/

Also, Spitfire LABS(Free) and Kontakt player(free) have some interesting textures definitely not a waste of time
These have inspired me to produce music that I normally would not think about.

easybullet3
New Member
Posts: 33
Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:28 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by easybullet3 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:08 am

mhazdra wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:37 pm
OK it has been said many times . . .

It depends what you are trying to do.

There are some excellent instruments that run in Kontakt : Spitfire Edna is one that I am looking at.
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/edna-earth/

Also, Spitfire LABS(Free) and Kontakt player(free) have some interesting textures definitely not a waste of time
These have inspired me to produce music that I normally would not think about.
Thanks ;)
Windows 7 (64-bit) Desktop
Condenser Mic (Studio Projects C1) plugged into Audio Interface (M-Audio Fast Track II)
Casio Privia PX-330 Digital Piano connected by USB to Computer.
Cubase 10 Pro

User avatar
jaslan
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 3286
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:42 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by jaslan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:35 pm

Kontakt gets really good 3rd party libraries. HALion is making progress in this regard but still well behind. Kontakt is great for sampled instruments but HALion is awesome for synthesized sounds. Kontakt is a great addition but whether it’s worth the cost depends on what you need. Again, for sampled instruments, Kontakt is (probably in most users opinions) king.
Cubase Pro 10. Core-i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM, Windows 10. UR44. M-Audio Axiom Pro 61. Fishman TriplePlay. Komplete 11 Ultimate. Jamstix 4. Absolute VST3. 418 Carrier Landings.
SoundCloud

Nickeldome
Member
Posts: 717
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:06 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Nickeldome » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am

easybullet3 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm
svennilenni wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
Wrong forum.
I have seen Youtube Videos of people using Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
So I want to know opinions from people that use Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?

Like jaslan said, if you want EDM synths or similar sounds there's lots of other stuff out there that will fully satisfy your needs. While many Kontakt libraries can do these type of sounds also it's real strength lies in the reproduction of acoustic instruments and the human voice. If you do not necessarily need orchestral instruments like strings and brass, choir, grand piano's, drum/percussion or big band sounds I'd suggest you stick to the more general synths. If you do there's no instrument more suited for these sounds than Kontakt. But it should also be said that going down this route is all but cheap! Some libraries can be very expensive! Below are some of the main creators of Kontakt libraries. Take a listen and decide if it's for you:

https://www.spitfireaudio.com/
https://8dio.com/
https://soundiron.com/
https://projectsam.com/
https://cinesamples.com/

Also electric guitar and bass libraries:

https://www.orangetreesamples.com/
https://impactsoundworks.com/

And synths/various:

https://output.com/
https://www.wavesfactory.com/
https://zero-g.co.uk/
Cubase Pro - Wavelab Pro (always latest version) Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Asus TUF Mark 1 X299 / i9-7900X (at 4.3 GHZ) / 64GB RAM / Geforce GTX 1060 6G / System drive Samsung M.2 1TB 960Pro / Kontakt drives 3 x 1TB Samsung Evo / Project/Audio/Archive drive 10TB Seagate Ironwolf - Audio interface: Roland UA-1610 / External gear: Kawai MP11 / Kurzweil PC88 / Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 / Roland JV1080 / Roland D50 / Korg 01/W / Elka EK22 – Midi controllers: Roli Seabord Rise 49, SoundQuest 8port-SE / Nektar Panorama P1 / Roland Octopad II / Akai MPD18 - Main VST's: Kontakt 6 / Padshop Pro / Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2.6, Trillian & Keyscape / Arturia V-collection / FXpansion BFD 3 / Toontrack Superior Drummer 3
All time user of Cubase since Atari V2 (around 1990)

-steve-
External Moderator
Posts: 9180
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:42 pm

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by -steve- » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:22 am

(This topic started out in a different forum)
independent manufacturer rep (not a Steinberg employee, and I do not speak for them)
cubase pro, nuendo, and dorico pro; latest versions
windows pro 10 | i7-3770k | ga-77x-ud5h | 32 Gb | UR44C | hp spectre x360 2018 | 16 Gb

Nickeldome
Member
Posts: 717
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:06 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Nickeldome » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:45 am

-steve- wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:22 am
(This topic started out in a different forum)
That doesn't take away that svennilenni can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-)
Cubase Pro - Wavelab Pro (always latest version) Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Asus TUF Mark 1 X299 / i9-7900X (at 4.3 GHZ) / 64GB RAM / Geforce GTX 1060 6G / System drive Samsung M.2 1TB 960Pro / Kontakt drives 3 x 1TB Samsung Evo / Project/Audio/Archive drive 10TB Seagate Ironwolf - Audio interface: Roland UA-1610 / External gear: Kawai MP11 / Kurzweil PC88 / Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 / Roland JV1080 / Roland D50 / Korg 01/W / Elka EK22 – Midi controllers: Roli Seabord Rise 49, SoundQuest 8port-SE / Nektar Panorama P1 / Roland Octopad II / Akai MPD18 - Main VST's: Kontakt 6 / Padshop Pro / Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2.6, Trillian & Keyscape / Arturia V-collection / FXpansion BFD 3 / Toontrack Superior Drummer 3
All time user of Cubase since Atari V2 (around 1990)

svennilenni
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 3840
Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by svennilenni » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:47 am

Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?
Exactly, all you smart people - the lounge is there for discussions like that - just my point.

Nickeldome
Member
Posts: 717
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:06 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Nickeldome » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:22 pm

svennilenni wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:47 am
Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?
Exactly, all you smart people - the lounge is there for discussions like that - just my point.
:D
Cubase Pro - Wavelab Pro (always latest version) Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Asus TUF Mark 1 X299 / i9-7900X (at 4.3 GHZ) / 64GB RAM / Geforce GTX 1060 6G / System drive Samsung M.2 1TB 960Pro / Kontakt drives 3 x 1TB Samsung Evo / Project/Audio/Archive drive 10TB Seagate Ironwolf - Audio interface: Roland UA-1610 / External gear: Kawai MP11 / Kurzweil PC88 / Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 / Roland JV1080 / Roland D50 / Korg 01/W / Elka EK22 – Midi controllers: Roli Seabord Rise 49, SoundQuest 8port-SE / Nektar Panorama P1 / Roland Octopad II / Akai MPD18 - Main VST's: Kontakt 6 / Padshop Pro / Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2.6, Trillian & Keyscape / Arturia V-collection / FXpansion BFD 3 / Toontrack Superior Drummer 3
All time user of Cubase since Atari V2 (around 1990)

easybullet3
New Member
Posts: 33
Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:28 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by easybullet3 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:06 pm

Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
easybullet3 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm
svennilenni wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
Wrong forum.
I have seen Youtube Videos of people using Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
So I want to know opinions from people that use Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?

Like jaslan said, if you want EDM synths or similar sounds there's lots of other stuff out there that will fully satisfy your needs. While many Kontakt libraries can do these type of sounds also it's real strength lies in the reproduction of acoustic instruments and the human voice. If you do not necessarily need orchestral instruments like strings and brass, choir, grand piano's, drum/percussion or big band sounds I'd suggest you stick to the more general synths. If you do there's no instrument more suited for these sounds than Kontakt. But it should also be said that going down this route is all but cheap! Some libraries can be very expensive! Below are some of the main creators of Kontakt libraries. Take a listen and decide if it's for you:

https://www.spitfireaudio.com/
https://8dio.com/
https://soundiron.com/
https://projectsam.com/
https://cinesamples.com/

Also electric guitar and bass libraries:

https://www.orangetreesamples.com/
https://impactsoundworks.com/

And synths/various:

https://output.com/
https://www.wavesfactory.com/
https://zero-g.co.uk/
Thank you 'Nickeldome' . That was VERY useful information ;)
and yes, you are right; it will cost me a small fortune to buy a few of the libraries that you pointed out.
ok, for now I will make do with what I have, and slowly in the future purchase 'extras' IF i need them.

Thank you again; Your advice helped me ;)
Windows 7 (64-bit) Desktop
Condenser Mic (Studio Projects C1) plugged into Audio Interface (M-Audio Fast Track II)
Casio Privia PX-330 Digital Piano connected by USB to Computer.
Cubase 10 Pro

Renesas
New Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:43 am

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Renesas » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm

Kontakt is a must have!

PeppaPig
Member
Posts: 916
Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:39 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by PeppaPig » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 am

Renesas wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
Kontakt is a must have!
I agree, Halion has some cool sounds and features, but the 3rd party support for Kontact is second to none - but (there's always a but) if you're just starting out and are just finding your feet - Halion will not be the thing that holds you back - however Kontact isn't THE sampler standard for nothing.
Cubase Pro 10.00.40, 9.5, Pro9.0.20. WaveLab 9 EL. UA Apollo Quad FW, UA PCI Octo, UA Satelite Quad, Adam T5V, Golden Audio pre73 DLX, Behringer ADA8200, Joe Meek AC3, Intel i7 6850x@4.2Ghz (6C/12T), Asus x99 Deluxe II, AMD 6450 HD, Windows 10 Pro, Samsung 860 and 850 SSDs, 64Gb RAM - Melodyne Studio, Komplete ultimate 11, Halion 6, GA,GA2,GA3,GA4 (+sp), OZ6, OZ7, OZ8 adv, Neutron Adv, BFD3, SoundToys rack, Panorama P1, M-Audio Oxygen, Yamaha YPP55 - outboard: PRO VLAII, Digitech Time machine RDS4000, 1950s Ferrograph Series 5, Mics: AKG C1000S, Rode NT2A and M5 pair, SE2200A, SE X1R, Fame-VT67 (cheap valve U67 clone), Heil PR20&PR22, Behringer Mic2200 used for reamping with a bit of nastiness!

Renesas
New Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:43 am

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Renesas » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:45 pm

PeppaPig wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 am
Renesas wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
Kontakt is a must have!
I agree, Halion has some cool sounds and features, but the 3rd party support for Kontact is second to none - but (there's always a but) if you're just starting out and are just finding your feet - Halion will not be the thing that holds you back - however Kontact isn't THE sampler standard for nothing.
Yea, idk why steinberg even make Halion when there’s Kontakt, Halion is just a waste of resources for steinberg

User avatar
Mr_Root
New Member
Posts: 9
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:24 pm
Location: Malta
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Mr_Root » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am

Renesas wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:45 pm
PeppaPig wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 am
Renesas wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
Kontakt is a must have!
I agree, Halion has some cool sounds and features, but the 3rd party support for Kontact is second to none - but (there's always a but) if you're just starting out and are just finding your feet - Halion will not be the thing that holds you back - however Kontact isn't THE sampler standard for nothing.
Yea, idk why steinberg even make Halion when there’s Kontakt, Halion is just a waste of resources for steinberg
You have to understand that Steinberg works closely with Yamaha. That is why Halion is like having Yamaha Motif synth at your disposal. Motif was used by Steve Wonder in his life gigs. Motif has sounds from DX7. There are many advantages of having Halion as a free plugin. Yes Halion comes free with your stock Cubase installation. Free. There are good and bad libraries in both Halion and Kontakt. Iconica Strings for Halion are amazing. Way better than Session Strings from NI. Session Guitars for Kontakt are amazing and there is nothing like that for Halion. There are way more third party libraries for Kontakt than Halion. Both platforms have their pros and cons. I have both :D
Robert/Mr. Root
Owner and founder of www.cubasetemplateshop.com
Music producer, DJ, Music industry Specialist

Brian Roland
Member
Posts: 938
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:24 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Brian Roland » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:06 pm

Get Demos of all the similar products on the market that you can.

Try them personally on the target machine(s) and host(s).

That'll help determine if you think it has enough features and content, that you'll use enough, to make it worth the price.

You'll know better specific questions to ask before pulling the trigger on a purchase.

User avatar
MrSoundman
Senior Member
Posts: 2393
Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:27 am
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by MrSoundman » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:13 pm

Mr_Root wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am
Both platforms have their pros and cons. I have both :D
Me too.
Renesas wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:45 pm
idk why steinberg even make Halion when there’s Kontakt, Halion is just a waste of resources for steinberg
Not a waste, just different. The benefit you get from HALion is proportional to the amount of time you're prepared to spend learning how to use it. Personally, I use Kontakt because of the libraries and the fact that it's a de facto industry standard, and HALion to make my own sounds.
Windows 10 • Cubase 10.5.0 • WaveLab 10.0.0 • SpectraLayers 6.0.20 • HALion 6.3.1 • Groove Agent 5.0.20 • Midex

User avatar
shadowfax
Senior Member
Posts: 2785
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 3:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by shadowfax » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:30 pm

It's a must have..some awesome library's available.. :)
https://soundcloud.com/knmac ... Cubase 10.5..Windows 10..Intel Core i9 9900K Coffee Lake Refresh 3.6GHz Eight Core 1151 Socket Overclockable Processor, WD Black WDS250G3X0C SN750 - 250GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD, ASRock AMD Radeon RX580 8GB OC Phantom Gaming D Dual Fan Graphics Card,
Gigabyte Z390 GAMING X Intel Socket 1151 ATX HDMI DDR4 USB C 3.1 M.2 Motherboard, 32GB ram, 2x Team GX2 1TB SATA III SSD. Yamaha N8.

User avatar
raino
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 3883
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:41 am
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by raino » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:11 am

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that in addition to the full Kontakt there is also a free Kontakt Player. Full Kontakt will play any 3rd party libraries. But some libraries can also be used with the free player. So you could check it out that way before buying.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/
rodger

Cubase Pro 10.5, Win10 Home, Halion6, BFD3, GPO, Komplete Ultimate 9, Waves Gold, Misc. other

i7 4771 Haswell Processor 3.5GHz, ADK LGA1150, 16GB RAM, GeForce GTX970, RME Fireface 400, 2x UAD-2

Nickeldome
Member
Posts: 717
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:06 pm
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by Nickeldome » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:14 am

raino wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:11 am
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that in addition to the full Kontakt there is also a free Kontakt Player. Full Kontakt will play any 3rd party libraries. But some libraries can also be used with the free player. So you could check it out that way before buying.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/
Good point!

Although from a consumers point of view it's hard to determine what libraries can use the player and what libraries need the full version?
Also with Kontakt it's not about 'full' or 'light' in the normal sense of the word that one would expect? Some major libraries can do with player while some minor need the full version? It strictly depends on the library itself and to what level editing is required? It also has to do with licensing between the developer and Native Instruments? Things we consumers want to keep clear off.....

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/

I found a list on NI but also here it's not clear to me what exactly uses what?

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 54e263c546
Cubase Pro - Wavelab Pro (always latest version) Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Asus TUF Mark 1 X299 / i9-7900X (at 4.3 GHZ) / 64GB RAM / Geforce GTX 1060 6G / System drive Samsung M.2 1TB 960Pro / Kontakt drives 3 x 1TB Samsung Evo / Project/Audio/Archive drive 10TB Seagate Ironwolf - Audio interface: Roland UA-1610 / External gear: Kawai MP11 / Kurzweil PC88 / Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 / Roland JV1080 / Roland D50 / Korg 01/W / Elka EK22 – Midi controllers: Roli Seabord Rise 49, SoundQuest 8port-SE / Nektar Panorama P1 / Roland Octopad II / Akai MPD18 - Main VST's: Kontakt 6 / Padshop Pro / Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2.6, Trillian & Keyscape / Arturia V-collection / FXpansion BFD 3 / Toontrack Superior Drummer 3
All time user of Cubase since Atari V2 (around 1990)

User avatar
raino
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 3883
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:41 am
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Post by raino » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:14 am
raino wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:11 am
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that in addition to the full Kontakt there is also a free Kontakt Player. Full Kontakt will play any 3rd party libraries. But some libraries can also be used with the free player. So you could check it out that way before buying.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/
Good point!

Although from a consumers point of view it's hard to determine what libraries can use the player and what libraries need the full version?
Also with Kontakt it's not about 'full' or 'light' in the normal sense of the word that one would expect? Some major libraries can do with player while some minor need the full version? It strictly depends on the library itself and to what level editing is required? It also has to do with licensing between the developer and Native Instruments? Things we consumers want to keep clear off.....

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/

I found a list on NI but also here it's not clear to me what exactly uses what?

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 54e263c546
Generally the folks making the libraries are pretty specific about full vs. player in the product description specs. But you end up having to search for that info on the various product pages. You're totally correct that full/player is not the same as full/light - the full version can play any Kontakt library where the player version only play Player libraries which can be every bit as complex as any library.
rodger

Cubase Pro 10.5, Win10 Home, Halion6, BFD3, GPO, Komplete Ultimate 9, Waves Gold, Misc. other

i7 4771 Haswell Processor 3.5GHz, ADK LGA1150, 16GB RAM, GeForce GTX970, RME Fireface 400, 2x UAD-2

Post Reply

Return to “Steinberg Lounge”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests