Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

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Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by MichaelSel » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:42 pm

So I copied the first page of Metaboles to see where I get stuck.

Here are some of my insights.



1. I had trouble to force rhythmic durations.
For instance, original score had this:
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2. I couldn't successfully indicate the timpani's pitches.
I created another flow for the timpani's pitches and tried to insert that as a frame on page 1 but failed. It looks horrible.
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Post by MichaelSel » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:44 pm

3. Couldn't add brackets to the harp pedaling
Original:
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4. Couldn't add this bracket to the harp:
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Post by MichaelSel » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:47 pm

5. Couldn't force rest duration:
Original:
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6. I couldn't create these cautionary clefs:
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by kevin b » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:50 pm

Hi Michael, if you type "O" you get the locked duration and you can enter the note values that Dutilleux has given. When you tie the notes together, they will retain their values. It will also work with rests. Hope that helps. Enjoy entering Metaboles- I've also copied out a few pages of the score in another program just for fun.
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Post by MichaelSel » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:52 pm

7. I couldn't create l.v. ties.
Original:
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8. I couldn't group two instruments on one staff
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9. I couldn't capitalize the "P" in "Pizz"

10. I couldn't create the big time signatures:
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by kevin b » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:54 pm

For the non arp. bracket of the harp, you want to use shift-O for ornament and type "nonarp." Make sure that no dynamic is selected or it won't take.
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by MichaelSel » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:55 pm

I wanted to attach the project but its size is about 10mb while the upload limit is 2.
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by MichaelSel » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:57 pm

Hi Kevin.
The harp bracketing worked! Thanks
About the force duration.. I might be doing something wrong, cause I can't get it to to anything.
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by kevin b » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:57 pm

There was a great idea about l.v. ties from another user here (it is a hack at moment):
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Post by kevin b » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:58 pm

You are definitely doing something wrong, it is possible to get the durations you want. you have to get used to the way that thinks!
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by kevin b » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:00 am

Large time signatures as well as instruments sharing staves are sadly in our future not our present.
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Post by MichaelSel » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:00 am

I can make the force duration work with notes but not with rests... :\
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by kevin b » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:03 am

One way to get the Pizz to be Pizz and not pizz is to enter it as text with shift-X. The auto spell correction keeps correct pizz to pizza which makes me hungry.
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Re: Things I learned from Dutilleux's Metaboles

Post by kevin b » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:07 am

OK, here's how you do the rests:
press "o" and "," so you are locked and entering rest.
Enter the note value adding the dotted rhythm with '.' key.
Make the rest by typing a note name like 'g'
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