Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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N_K wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:16 am
Currently in Key Editor, there is extra vertical space between B and C, as well as E and F.
This might be handy for some workflows, but it breaks visual recognition of chords because the spaces between pitches do not correspond to semitones.

In equally spaced piano roll, where each semitone has same height as others, a chord will always have same amount of empty vertical space between its notes, no matter which key it is played from. This makes it easy to recognize chords based on their vertical pattern.

In Key Editor as it is now, a major chord has a visual pattern like augmented chord when in C, F, F#, G, or like a minor chord with fifth in bass when in C#, D, D#, E, G#, A, or like a major chord with fifth in bass when in A# and B. Attached is a screenshot to illustrate this. Cubase-8-vs-Live-9-piano-roll.jpg


If any of developers see this, please consider adding the option to remove empty vertical space between B and C and E and F in Key Editor.
Equal vertical spacing corresponds to what is actually heard in 12TET and is more convenient for people coming to Cubase from other DAWs.
I created a petition to get this addressed. Just search for "Cubase" at Change_org and you'll find it.

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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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Yes, it is necessary. This is important, because I think many composers work with visual representation of flowing paterns.
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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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Yes, that has always been weird. But what shall those who adapted o it 20 years ago do when it changes? :lol:

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Can somebody make a real piano with gaps between B & C and E & F? It will be the way Steinberg pushes us to go.
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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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+1 and bump
I come from Ableton and really enjoy Cubase so far. I want to invest in Cubase and use it as my primary DAW, however the extra spaces in the piano roll make it extremely hard to read the distance inbetween the notes and makes my workflow very slow compared to Ableton. I would love to see a feature to turn off these pesky little spaces, cheers.

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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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-steve- wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:16 pm
Yes, that has always been weird. But what shall those who adapted o it 20 years ago do when it changes? :lol:
Make an option to toggle it on and off. Very simple, everyone wins.

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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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-steve- wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:16 pm
Yes, that has always been weird. But what shall those who adapted o it 20 years ago do when it changes? :lol:
Celebrate :)
ANeeman wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:33 pm
Can somebody make a real piano with gaps between B & C and E & F? It will be the way Steinberg pushes us to go.
Exactly :lol:
Saucysaja wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:41 am
Make an option to toggle it on and off. Very simple, everyone wins.
No need for an option. I can't see why anyone would actually need it as it is now. Maybe someone with a piano as described above :)
Just make it normal, please...

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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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Starsprinkler wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:57 pm
-steve- wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:16 pm
Yes, that has always been weird. But what shall those who adapted o it 20 years ago do when it changes? :lol:
Celebrate :)
ANeeman wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:33 pm
Can somebody make a real piano with gaps between B & C and E & F? It will be the way Steinberg pushes us to go.
Exactly :lol:
Saucysaja wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:41 am
Make an option to toggle it on and off. Very simple, everyone wins.
No need for an option. I can't see why anyone would actually need it as it is now. Maybe someone with a piano as described above :)
Just make it normal, please...
I agree completely, just throwing the idea out there so there is a trade off in case older users are upset.

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They did it! :shock: :shock: :shock:

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+1
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Re: Annual Request: Equal height vertical spacing in Key Editor

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Starsprinkler wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:57 pm
-steve- wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:16 pm
Yes, that has always been weird. But what shall those who adapted o it 20 years ago do when it changes? :lol:
Celebrate :)
They can celebrate now, with Cubase 11 :)

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