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Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Cyrdup » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:02 pm

Hello

I just wanted to share a workaround for drawing horizontal straight arrows.
like the one here:
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It's a long process that I explain below.
If anyone has a better way to do it, please share!
I'm sure Dorico will soon find an easy way to do it in a future update:

1) Create a Sustain Pedal (Write mode => Playing techniques => Keyboard => Sustain pedal)
2) in Engrave mode, go to Engrave Menu => Engraving Options => Pedal lines => Design => Hook only
3) in Engrave mode, select the sutain pedal, go to properties => Line start Hook = No Hook / Line End Hook = No Hook / Line Width = 0.7 (for example)
4) Go to https://w3c.github.io/smufl/gitbook/tab ... heads.html => copy the arrowBlackRight for example
5) In Dorico Write Mode, insert a musical text (Shift X => Music text) and past it. Choose the appropriate size (46 points for me).
6) In Engrave Mode, go to properties => uncheck "Avoid Collisions" and drag the arrow at the end of the line.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by MarcLarcher » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:13 pm

You can fake the line with a hairpin with an aperture of 0, and adjust the thickness. It might be easier in this case than tweaking the pedal line.
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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Cyrdup » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:21 pm

Thanks!!
That's much much better!
And it works like a charm on multi staves instruments (otherwise the pedal line automatically gets on the bottom staff)
The only downside is that it doesn't work well if I already have a hairpin in the bar (I should create a second voice).
Any way, it'll sure help me.

All the best!

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:59 pm

Another way, if you don't mind the arrow being of a fixed length, is to use this font.

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Post by Cyrdup » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:33 pm

Good idea! Thanks!
It's just that I don't know how to add a font to Dorico.
I downloaded the Arrow Crafter font, went to (a Windows computer) =>"C:\Program Files\Steinberg\Dorico2\fonts", but even after restarting Dorico I don't seem to be able to choose this font with a "Shift X" command.
Sorry if I'm asking a dumb question...

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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:37 pm

You install the font in the C:\Windows\Fonts folder so it's available to all applications on your computer, not only to Dorico.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Cyrdup » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:23 pm

Thank you!

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by John Ruggero » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:46 pm

I have been faking the lines (without arrows) needed to separate alternative fingerings by means of a glissando line without the gliss. indication. Are there potential problems with this as opposed to the hairpin approach?

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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:48 pm

I don't think so, not really. I guess the only possible downside is that the glissando line is technically attached to notes at either end, so if those notes get deleted the glissando line will also be deleted, but presumably you're not planning on deleting any notes at this stage in any case.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by John Ruggero » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:35 am

Thank you, Daniel.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Dan S » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:48 am

I have been substituting my need for long arrows with series of short arrows by choosing the arrow glyph from Wingdings3, entering it into MSWord, then in the Dorico text popover, choosing Wingdings3 font for that one character and pasting again in the popover. You can do this at multiple rhythm locations if needed.

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Post by xavierpages » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:39 pm

I propose another idea: you can change the symbol for "niente (for hairpins)" (Engrave>Music Symbols...>Niente) and substitute it by an arrow head. you can then transform any hairpin to an arrow. This only works for horizontal arrows, as the arrow head is not turned with the haripin. You will have to change hairpin aperture and optionally line thickness. Here you have an animated GIF:
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You can choose to change the "niente" symbol instead of "niente (for hairpins)" in case you need the little circle. Then you will have to adjust the gap between the end of hairpin and niente text (Engrave options>Dynamics>Gradual Dynamics>Advanced options>"Gap between end of hairpin and niente text".
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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:33 pm

That's quite ingenious. I hope that these kinds of inventive solutions won't be needed for very much longer.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by xavierpages » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:13 am

Thank you Daniel, necessity helps to find good solutions. I also hope that a definitive and fully implemented solution comes in short, but in the meantime this will make the trick :)
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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by zmaine » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:51 pm

Thanks for this workaround, xavierpages, but I wasn't able to figure out how to do the first step -- "change the symbol for "niente (for hairpins)" (Engrave>Music Symbols...>Niente) and substitute it by an arrow head". I couldn't find a menu/option for "Music Symbols" anywhere. Thanks.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by dankreider » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:53 pm

Engrave mode, Engrave menu, Music Symbols.
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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by Dan S » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:53 am

One more tweak - arrowheads can be created with shortened hairpins. Coupled with 0 aperture hairpins they make acceptable arrows.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by zmaine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:25 pm

My apologies for still not getting it, dankreider, but here's what I'm seeing on my screen. I don't see an option for "Music Symbols" under the Engrave Menu (unless the "Engrave Menu" is something different from the "Engrave" drop-down?) when in Engrave mode. Sorry for being Dorically thick here, but any tips on what I'm missing will be greatly appreciated!
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Post by pianoleo » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:29 pm

zmaine, the Music Symbols Editor was introduced in Dorico 2.2
Your screenshot seems to be from Dorico v1. Have you not upgraded?
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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by zmaine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:14 pm

Aha, yes, that would be it. Thanks.

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Post by zmaine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:20 pm

Perhaps this is an awkward place to ask this question but, on that note, is the general consensus that upgrading to version 2 is worth the investment? I've been disappointed and frustrated at times with the difficulty/bugginess in performing many seemingly simple tasks in Dorico after a couple years of bug fixes and improvements, and have considered whether going back to one of the other more established programs would be wise. Thanks.

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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by dankreider » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:33 pm

zmaine wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:20 pm
Perhaps this is an awkward place to ask this question but, on that note, is the general consensus that upgrading to version 2 is worth the investment? I've been disappointed and frustrated at times with the difficulty/bugginess in performing many seemingly simple tasks in Dorico after a couple years of bug fixes and improvements, and have considered whether going back to one of the other more established programs would be wise. Thanks.
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Version 3 is coming, but it’s not imminent. Perhaps the end of this year, though no one knows. Just to say that I wouldn’t hold out for it.
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Re: Workaround for horizontal arrows

Post by xavierpages » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:06 pm

Dan S wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:53 am
One more tweak - arrowheads can be created with shortened hairpins. Coupled with 0 aperture hairpins they make acceptable arrows.
This solution may work, but has the problem that the size of hairpins may change with note spacing, so you have to create the arrows once you know that nothing is going to move...
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