Poll: Case for single window layout

For users of legacy Steinberg Cubase software

Should Steinberg pursue a single window layout?

Yes
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No
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Total votes: 167

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Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by C.LYDE » Tue May 22, 2012 7:27 pm

I tried using the search function, but could not discover if this topic was raised, and raised in a manner that indicated the notion was supported or not supported by users.

(As background, it may be worth noting that Studio One, Pro Tools, Logic, Live, Sequel and Reaper already use this format - some of us know this, some may not) :ugeek:
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Eddie Stealth Studio » Tue May 22, 2012 7:46 pm

definitely NOT! i hate how these other daws force everything into one window. docking and tabs = clutter for me. just use 2 monitors (or 3 or 4). ed
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by C.LYDE » Tue May 22, 2012 7:51 pm

Thanks - cast your vote as No.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Jarno » Tue May 22, 2012 8:04 pm

No!

While multiple window interface may be a bit chaotic in times, it leaves YOU to be the one who is in command, not the software.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Split » Tue May 22, 2012 8:07 pm

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by careyletendre » Tue May 22, 2012 8:11 pm

I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4. That way one can still take advantage of multiple monitors when detaching windows and also have a single window interface if desired.

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Norbury Brook » Tue May 22, 2012 8:31 pm

careyletendre wrote:I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4. That way one can still take advantage of multiple monitors when detaching windows and also have a single window interface if desired.

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yes i think that would be the best way :)


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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Puma0382 » Tue May 22, 2012 9:38 pm

So, I voted no...

but I do vote a big yes to careyletendre suggestion, to have a combination approach such that the user can choose ;)

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by jose7822 » Tue May 22, 2012 10:16 pm

I voted "No" as well. I totally agree with everyone else in that the user should have the option to choose.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Centralmusic » Tue May 22, 2012 10:42 pm

careyletendre wrote:I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4. That way one can still take advantage of multiple monitors when detaching windows and also have a single window interface if desired.

Cheers,

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+ 1 !
I absolutely agree with you.

(P.S: I must admit that I voted "no", because I use 3 monitors.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Stealth » Wed May 23, 2012 12:53 am

careyletendre wrote:I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4. That way one can still take advantage of multiple monitors when detaching windows and also have a single window interface if desired.
this.


a better poll would be:
-yes

-no

-both
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by toader » Wed May 23, 2012 2:05 am

One of the MAIN reasons I use Cubase, is because I love the interface!!! Over time, they have really developed it into something very refined and yet intuitive. As much as programmers may get bored, I hope they recognize a good thing when they have it - and hang onto that great idea!

There is plenty of room for other refinements in the program - things that I think users would be much more excited about.
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Post by Guest » Wed May 23, 2012 2:12 am

careyletendre wrote:I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Conman » Wed May 23, 2012 3:28 am

Stealth wrote:
careyletendre wrote:I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4. That way one can still take advantage of multiple monitors when detaching windows and also have a single window interface if desired.
this.


a better poll would be:
-yes

-no

-both
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Shinta215 » Wed May 23, 2012 5:18 am

No to single window.

Yes to Halion 4 style.
I think Wavelab 7 has something similar as well.

IMHO the whole "single window" interface is more for laptops out of studio (where it's impractical to carry a second monitor).

We're probably going to get a Halion 4/Wavelab 7 style in Cubase 7.

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Post by Centralmusic » Wed May 23, 2012 7:06 am

Oh, I forgot:

plus "All windows on top!" (...editors, pool, Media Bay, etc.)
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Strophoid » Wed May 23, 2012 6:18 pm

Voted No as well. The system could definitely use some change, but I like being able to drag stuff around wherever I want it to be. Docking stuff only takes up extra screenspace.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Audiocave » Wed May 23, 2012 6:35 pm

No offense, but this is one of the silliest recurring discussions ever. It's like politics where people vote against their own best interest out of sheer tribalism.

It's clear that most if not all of those sngle window designs in that class can mimick Cubase's window arrangements because docking is optional? Do some here really think people using Reaper, Logic, S1, DP, Sonar, etc, can't put their mixer or editors on monitor 2 if they want? That they're locked into a single window docking arrangement?

Apparently so based on some comments here. :?:

Is there any manual window arrangement Cubase allows that can't also be done in those apps? Not really... which is why I don't get it, never did. It's all win, you lose nothing.

Will someone please explain to me in detail what you can do with Cubase's windows that can't be done today in those "single window" apps? All of their windows - and some of their toolbars - float. Dare I say, their floating mixers can actually fill an entire second screen... and be stretched vertically.

They're not exactly Garageband.

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Centralmusic » Wed May 23, 2012 7:59 pm

another statement, gearslutz user "submarin" wrote today:

"so I ditched it (X1) and went back to Cubase till now with 6.5, which is fine.
Actually the (...) windowmanagement sucks in Cubase and I always loved X1 for that."
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Eddie Stealth Studio » Wed May 23, 2012 9:00 pm

i use sony vegas a lot which can dock and float. so i spend a lot of time trying to open and close tabs and get to things. in my opinion, it all looks very cluttered, even with 2 monitors.
i also have sonar producer and it sufferes the same thing. maybe it's because i'm used to cubase, but i like the way it looks. i don't want tabs cluttering up my screen. worst of all are the daws with browers down one side or other! ugly and distracting.
so by all means, have tabs as an option but don't force them on us!
i tried the demo of presonus and it was really annoying. do i want to be offered links to soundcloud when starting or opening a song? no. fluff is bad!
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by fizbin » Thu May 24, 2012 3:11 am

We need to be able to maximize individual editors/views/windows against multiple monitors.

Call it what you will, but the current MDI floating window nightmare needs to go away.

Every other DAW is better than Cubase in this one respect. Try running Cubase across two monitors with slightly different maximum resolutions. Further crap behavior.
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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Jeff Hayat » Thu May 24, 2012 5:19 am

fizbin wrote:Call it what you will, but the current MDI floating window nightmare needs to go away.

Every other DAW is better than Cubase in this one respect. Try running Cubase across two monitors with slightly different maximum resolutions. Further crap behavior.
What is the MDI floating window nightmare ?

And if you have problems b/c you are running Cubase across two monitors with different resolutions, that is not something that needs to be addressed, and there is nothing for SB to fix there.

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Jeff Hayat » Thu May 24, 2012 5:19 am

careyletendre wrote:I would like the best of both worlds; docking windows like Halion 4. That way one can still take advantage of multiple monitors when detaching windows and also have a single window interface if desired.
Fully agree here.

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Audiocave » Thu May 24, 2012 3:07 pm

Eddie Stealth Studio wrote:so by all means, have tabs as an option but don't force them on us!
My point. ^^^ People say that as if it's the norm, tabs for everything being forced on anyone. Reaper (for example) doesn't force those on you, float them all permanently if you prefer windows floating all over the place like with Cubase.
i tried the demo of presonus and it was really annoying. do i want to be offered links to soundcloud when starting or opening a song? no. fluff is bad!
ed

Perhaps you're talking about the song information screen that shows the artist's album art, copyright info and web link which is 100% optional (?), to tell it (any individual song) to do that on launch or not if you share your S1 songs with others... like in the demo song that you're likely referring to, to remind people that the material is copywritten and whom to contact for permissions to do anything with the tracks?

Again, it's all (this recurring discussion, imo) one big straw man argument. At the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect them all... I simply don't understand (or see any rationale at all for) the reasoning.

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Re: Poll: Case for single window layout

Post by Eddie Stealth Studio » Thu May 24, 2012 5:11 pm

the gui is probably the main thing that separates daws these days. so if the first impression of a daw demo is littered with all this rubbish, it will affect the user badly! sure it will normally be possible to go into options and get rid of it all. but it's a pain. when i demoed sonar x1 on my laptop, on opening the demo song i was left with an arrange area of about 2 inches high by 5 wide! because all the tabs were populated. had to spend time fixing before i could even look at the thing! i'm too old for this sheet!
then again, some people love fiddling with tabs in the same way some people love changing their pc desktop every few days.
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