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Post by Dave S » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:26 am

Hi

I mentioned this in the lounge http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... =91&t=7071. I thought it would be fun and educational to hear some different takes on a mix.

Here are the raw 24bit files for you guys to mix and please post your results in this thread. Have fun. :)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25096947/Border ... 20Free.zip

The zip file is 310mb and files are mono except for the toms mixed to a stereo file, stereo overheads and room. Also note there are two sets of drums. I picked that song to get us going because it is a short song and doesn't have too many tracks so the zip file is not too big.

I've used dropbox for now and I will upload to my own site shortly but bandwidth could be an issue depending how many want to try this out. Is there anywhere else I can put a 310mb file up for free?

Cheers

Alternative download added at my own web space

http://www.davesmithmusic.com/mixes/Bor ... 20Free.zip
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Post by Pearldivers » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:04 pm

Here's the first go Dave. Can't open the big monitors here,
late at night, it's a small apartment. But I think it's mostly OK.

http://thepearldivers.bandcamp.com/trac ... he-jet-mix

It was a lot of fun!

Thanks for the whole idea, great.

Jet

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Post by Dave S » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:02 pm

Hey that was quick. :shock:

Quite different to my mix. 8-) This is going to be interesting if we get a few takers. :)
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Post by arimus » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:23 pm

Hi Dave,

I've never tried anything like this before, but here goes! :D

I hope it's not too gross.

http://soundcloud.com/arnes/youre-free-by-dave-smith

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Post by Strophoid » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:28 pm

Cool how that is exactly the same song but it sounds really different.
This is a great idea and I'm probably rubbish at it, but I'll give it a shot as well tomorrow :D
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Post by Dave S » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:45 pm

Hi arimus

Another different sound. I only had time for a quick listen. I probably won't have time to be around here for a day or two so I've downloaded it. My intial thought is I love what you have done with the vocals.
Strophoid wrote:Cool how that is exactly the same song but it sounds really different.
This is a great idea and I'm probably rubbish at it, but I'll give it a shot as well tomorrow :D
Yeah, I'm hoping to hear a lot of different versions and also hoping others also put some songs up. I don't think it matters how good we are at mixing, it's more about learning and working out what each has done differently to me.
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Post by Sherz » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:46 am

Hmm... interesting 'experiment' ;)
Downloading the files now.... 8-)
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Post by Pearldivers » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:25 am

Dave,

I have altered my mix coz I can crank the monitors this arv.
Brought up the bass and better defined the kick. New file uploaded.

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Post by Sherz » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:46 pm

Ok... here's the 'Sherzified' version :

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10522210


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Post by Strophoid » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:29 pm

Just did mine, man this is fun! :D
Bear with me this is the first time I've actually done anything remotely like mixing (in general and especially in this genre). Was slightly overwhelmed by the amount of tracks, you said this was a simple project :P

Goes to show what a newb I am, ah well.

http://soundcloud.com/strophoid/youre-f ... ophoid-mix

After transferring the file to my desktop for uploading etc I noticed I completely forgot to compress the track to get some volume out of it, oops!
Can't be bothered to do it now, maybe later. For now, just turn your volume up 8-)

Thanks Dave, really enjoyed it! I'd like some more people to give it a shot too!
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Post by Strophoid » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:34 pm

I love Sherz's version really, nice subtle reverbs here and there. After listening to yours mine sounds really wrong, lol.
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Post by twilightsong » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:09 am

Here's my version. I tried something a bit different: it's monaural (not TRUE mono as in one speaker, but pseudo-mono -- everything panned center)

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... i&newref=1

TURN IT UP!

Dang -- I just remembered that I meant to add an edit so the tune ended on the low bass note. Oh well

Nice tune, Dave!
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Post by celtsound » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:39 am

Hi Dave, great idea, thanks for kicking this off.

I had a quick listen to the mixes by Jet and arimus, but not any of the others because I didn't want to get any preconcieved ideas.

I've never mixed full drum tracks before so this was a great place to start.

http://soundcloud.com/celtsound/youre-free

Now- off to listen to the other postings.
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Post by celtsound » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:36 am

OK after listening to my mix compared to others I've concluded that I have too much kick drum and this is dragging the rest of the mix down.

I'd appreciate any comments supporting/rebuffing my conclusion- I see this as a learning opportunity and the essence of the Cubase forums.
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Post by philter » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:16 am

What's the BPM on this Dave?
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Post by Pearldivers » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:23 pm

philter wrote:What's the BPM on this Dave?
I know where ya coming from ;) but it only helps in the opening
and outro. Once those overheads come in, you're locked.

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Post by Dave S » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:41 pm

This is good guys. Lot's of good and interesting takes. I like some of the ambiances and effects. By comparison my own version seems drier. Looks like I need to work at that part of my mixing. I also like the one's that are more 'mono'. I really need to spend some more time listening and working out what has been done in the different versions.

Maybe you guys could post some specifics on some of the things you have done. What type of effects you used, how you have eq'd and compressed things etc, etc....
philter wrote:What's the BPM on this Dave?
Well some of it is not locked in exactly to tempo, it's all played live including the midi drums but here is an approximate guide

Starts in 3/4 @ 90bpm
0:48 4/4 @ 92bpm
1:09 3/4 @ 92bpm
1:25 4/4 @92bpm
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Post by twilightsong » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:27 pm

Dave S wrote:
Maybe you guys could post some specifics on some of the things you have done. What type of effects you used, how you have eq'd and compressed things etc, etc....
Okay

>decided to try a mono mix, just to be different
>everything panned center (of course)
>deleted the stereo overhead and room tracks
>edited the hi-hat track from 1/8th notes to 1/4 notes
>did some sound replacement on the rides/crashes
>kick1: +12dB@5k
>kick1: insert "clean comp" with moderate settings
>snare2: insert gate to eliminate hi-hat bleed and what sounded like grace notes
>snare2: insert 1176 compressor, 20:1 ratio with slow attack and moderate release
>snare2: lo-shelf +11dB@375Hz, -5dB@6k (I switched this cut out during the loudest part)
>grouped both bass tracks
>on bass group, insert 1176 compressor with 12:1 ratio with moderately slow attack and moderately quick release*
>I did nothing to the various guitar tracks, BTW -- they all sounded quite good
>on both vocal tracks, I applied hi-pass filter set to about 375Hz
>grouped the two vocal tracks
>on vocal group, inserted a slight "detuning" plugin
>on vocal group, inserted 1176 compressor set to 12:1 with moderately slow attack and release
>finally, did a fair amount of automation to many of the tracks, incl guitars, but chiefly the vocal group and the bass group. Did a bit of EQ automation when the song went from soft to loud and back again
>and lastly, NO bus compression or master channel processing was used whatsoever
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Post by sav. » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:15 pm

Hi Dave,

This is a great idea you've come up with! :D
I hope in the near future I can offer something ive done for anyone to have a go at
(just need to find my writting hat and start recording!)

Here's my attempt, nothing new or creative as others have done im afraid...sorry :oops:
http://just4demos.bandcamp.com/track/youre-free

a little mix info..

Guitars panned L65 R65, Solo L13

Guitar EQ - strat- low shelf at 200hz, Peerless low shelf at 170hz both about -20db.
Strat high-cut at 9khz, Peerless at around 5/6 khz.
Solo- low shelf at 200hz -18db, hi-cut at 11khz, 2 x notches 3680khz and 457 hz both at -9db.

Bass EQ - studio eq- low shelf at 62hz -17db, some little scoops at approx 100hz/200hz/500hz by a couple of db.
(forgot to add the bass amp track in the mix, oops :oops: )

Drum EQ - think ive just spotted a mistake I made, so I wont say :shock: :lol:

T-racks 3's versions of the Fairchild comp and Pultec EQ used on, erm, about everything :D

Compression on kick, bass and vocals.

Unfortunatly mixed on headphones (wife has been studying these last couple of days so unable to make lots of noise :cry: )

Was great fun to do and a breath of fresh air mixing someone else's work.

Cheers
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Post by firestamper » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:14 pm

hi dave ,hope you don`t mind some of the harmonies are not on here and sorry about you falling down a hole at the end anyway hope you like it .
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Post by JSW » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:13 am

Dave,

I have to say this is pretty darn cool of you to set this up.
I was hesitant to try it at first, but decided to down load the tracks and take a look.
There was a bunch for sure. Started to fiddle around with the project, one thing
lead to another and I was hooked.

I am impressed with the sound quality of your tracks, but almost fell out of my chair when I realized there were five guitar tracks alone, good golly miss molly, but what should have I expected from a guitar player such as yourself?

Personally, I keep struggling with live drum and mic bleed so it was a treat to try my hand at sampled drums.

I enjoyed working on this and getting into your musical head, so to speak, and get my own mind around what you had done, then where to go. Cracking the tempo and time sig. caused me to learn a couple new things, all good.

Before I give it up, I do want to say if you or anyone else has any thoughts for me on how to improve or change my attempt, I’m all ears….

‘YOUR FREE’ http://jswmusic.bandcamp.com/track/your-free-jsw-mix

Thanks for letting me play with your music.

John

To everyone else; I have enjoyed listening to your mixes.

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Post by twilightsong » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:18 am

JSW wrote: Before I give it up, I do want to say if you or anyone else has any thoughts for me on how to improve or change my attempt, I’m all ears….
Interesting take on the song. The major problem I hear is that it's pumping terribly during the loud parts... I'd open up those attack and release settings some
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Post by twilightsong » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:19 am

If I get time tomorrow, I might try and heavily reverberant Oasis-style mix :lol:
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Post by JSW » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:24 am

twilightsong wrote:
JSW wrote: Before I give it up, I do want to say if you or anyone else has any thoughts for me on how to improve or change my attempt, I’m all ears….
Interesting take on the song. The major problem I hear is that it's pumping terribly during the loud parts... I'd open up those attack and release settings some
so that's what that is. ;) Mono is an interesting tack to take by the way.

mix #2 is up...think the pumping has subsided...not sure. Seems as though I was sending to hot a mix to bandcampand [blame it on the other guy] their compressor didn't agree with it so I did a re-do with a softer mix.

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Post by Pearldivers » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:49 am

Hi Dave,

if we do this experiment again maybe we need to clarify what our roles are.
Are we mixers (balancing the song?) or are we producers (shaping the song?)

My own philosophy was that you'd already produced the track and that my
brief wasn't to alter it. I know we were free to choose our paths, but that was mine.

I didn't use any of the room or "second" tracks, so I worked with fewer files.

Kick: SPL Transient Designer to kill the boom, scooped and boosted various EQ spots, then API 2500 @ 4:1.
Snare: cut the hi-end, I had to even out a few inconsistent hits over the outro, then API 2500 @ 10:1.
Toms: cut the bottom and peaked a little at 5 khz, then API 2500 @ 4:1.
OHs: had to ride them. Fairchild "Over The Top". Wanted them to just float over the mix. Cymbal crashes were a problem, not loud enough but I was unable to do much about it as they are mixed against a ride hit which creates a compressor/artifact issue.
Hats: tamed the top end, but let it free in the breakdown section. A lot of riding. API 2500 @ 4:1.

Then, grouped the drums into Lexicon "Studio"-type room.

Bass: had to resect the file a lot to wed it to the kick drum, rode the outro. Kush Audio Fatso for added warmth.
Didn't use the amped track. I used a Precision-type EQ setting.

Guitars: left the riddum geets more or less alone, minor EQ on the tops, wound back most of the top end on the AC15, sent the lead to a Roland Chorus/Tremelo then to a Korg SDD3000 to soften it, then grouped into API 2500 @4:1. A bit of the Lexicon. Centred the latter two gtrs for energy and drive.

Vocal: had to resect the files a lot for tighter alignment, was brutal with chopping out lip-smacks, plosives and spikey sibilance.
Waves de-ess, API 2500 @ 10:1 then Waves L1 at a very hard ceiling to crush them. A bit of the Lexicon.

Then mixed into the Fatso to generate some extra harmonic content before tape layback.

Tape master is -11.5 dB with the L1 set at zero threshold and ceiling of -0.3 dB.

So, I went for a fairly modest, unaffected sound and on the dry side.

Jet

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