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Collaberation please

Post by friedeggstudios » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:08 pm

Hello all

I have been working with my good friend natty german on a new track of his but have hit a brick wall re Bass and drums. Is there anyone out there that can help put somthing down. I have saved the track in my drop box account at :
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25634717/Mr%20B ... 3minor.mp3

Just right click link and select save as .....

The MP3 starts at zero and is at a tempo of 137bpm and in F Minor

If there is anyone out there that can make a drum and or bass track it would be much appreciated and you would get full credit for your work if the track is selected.

Heres fingers crossed, it is a nice song IMHO

If you want to discuss further my email is chris@ friedeggstudios.com

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Re: Collaberation please

Post by Zenda » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:51 am

Hi Chris

My immediate impression of this song was acoustic bass, and percussion = congas, bongos and a soft felt-batted kick drum to give gentle at the bottom. I'm learning percussion, which motivated my thinking in this direction, however I am not good enough to provide better than amateurish. However, I decided to, at least, mention the idea and give my reasoning.

As I think of a kick/snare/hihat based kit, I'm thinking it could be harder to 'glue it' into what there already is. Why? The vocal is incredibly dense: melodically, tonally and rhythmically as well as lyrically, it is putting important meaning in all the places that sharp sounds would interfere. I notice how the guitar seems treble cut until the very last chord. I thought it was a nylon strung until then - though I might be showing my general ignorance of acoustic guitars. The 'comfortable pops and bums' of congas would sit with that guitar and allow that voice the space it needs. Bongos could add a little salt an pepper in big gaps, or where voice leaves a lot of space for something to counterpoint. In my mind's ear, I had a quick listen to a snare drum with brushes. Didn't seem to work as badly as snare with sticks.

In order that you get a sense of where I am standing as I wrote the above:
1: I was envisaging a final product in which those two tracks you shared [voice and acoustic guitar] will be pretty much unaltered in the final version, and that Only bass and drums is to be added.
2: I got strong and immediate resonances with Joni Mitchell and Joan Armatrading. Both of them wrap tone, melody, timing and lyrics into a dense-weave cat's cradle. It is an acrobatic gravitas, a complexity without confusion or gimmikyness which, within 5 seconds of his starting to sing, filled me with an appreciation of and trust in your vocalist.

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Re: Collaberation please

Post by friedeggstudios » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:25 pm

Hello Glyn

I am having a real problem with drum and bass for the very points you so eliquently pointed out. There is not a lot of room for manouvre and anything i add seems to clutter the mix that bit more.

I agree that the main vocal and guitar are working well and all that is needed is a drum and bass. you also hit on conga type sounds which i have not considered as i have no skill in that area.

I appreciate your comparisons with Joni Mitchell and Joan Armatrading. I have a lot of time for natty as i do feel he is a natural talent,I hope someone somewhere can add to this track to enable me to finish it to a commercial level.

Pleas feel free to have a bash at it, i am sure your talent surpasses mine by a long shot. I liked your Melodic Blue and Motherless child. Very good bassline in motherless child, somthing on those lines only faster would be cool. You have a very good feel for bass IMHO.

Regards
Chris

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Post by twilightsong » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:36 pm

I worked on this a bit last night, but I need to tighten things up a bit. Yes, I did use an upright acoustic bass. Might be able to finish tonight (CST)
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Post by friedeggstudios » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:11 pm

Thanks a lot Twighlight, appreciate you taking the time out to do it.

Look forward to the final result.

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Post by twilightsong » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:47 am

Sorry, I went out drinking and to hear Jazz tonight so I'll look at it tomorrow
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Re: Collaberation please

Post by Pearldivers » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:00 am

Chris,

pouring rain here today, perfect for music making.

A demo WAV file in my dropbox. Not a "mix", just raw files in arrangement. ;)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26335181/Mr%20Begone%20Now.wav

Jet

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Post by twilightsong » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:42 pm

Dang... I wonder why I've spent so much time on this?

Anyway, I've been working on it today and I'm about done. Going to my folks tonight for dinner, then later I'll finish it up

I suppose I'll provide you my entire folder with .cpr so you can just load it right up and mix it to your taste
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Post by twilightsong » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:35 pm

Okay Chris, here's what I've got. Let me know what changes if any you'd like. When it's to your satisfaction, I'll send you the entire folder

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... i&newref=1

I hear a couple poorly timed notes which I'll fix
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Re: Collaberation please

Post by friedeggstudios » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:40 pm

Hey Twighlight and Jet both fantastic efforts

i am going to get Natty up on the Weekend to have a listen.

Both your contributions have completely different feel.

Thanks a lot for your effort.

Twighlight i think your track is close to what natty envisaged and a little tightening up should make it perfect for him.

In my ear and my partners Jets is the way we wanted the track to go, vicky could hear a cool piano riff in there.

But listening to twighlights track it seems to have that folky rythm that suits natty's style.

As you say a revisit to tighten things up should nail it. If you could dropbox me the seperate tracks that would be cool.

I will play both to natty and let you know how it pans out.

Thanks again guys, really helped me out. if you ever need ahaunting female vocal let me know and i will get Vicky on the case.

Regards
Chris

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Post by twilightsong » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:22 pm

Okay I'm done but I'm new to dropbox. I installed the app, and placed my folder into the public directory. But it's not updating anything... and when I right-click the folder, I don't get the "share public link" option. When I look at the folder that' been saved to the website, all I see are the 2 cpr's I saved (one with and one without the MIDI files) but no audio files at all

Help!
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Re: Collaberation please

Post by Zenda » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:55 am

Doug - Hi

Try this ..

http://www.yousendit.com/compare-plans? ... pare_plans


Lite version will do your bass file, as long as it is less than 100Meg.
14day free trials for the 'higher' services' are available for larger files.

Please send it to me, too [pm the link to me] ... I'd like to hear it, and stick it in Cubase along with the vox/guitar file.

Jet's work was a great demo of Normal drums vs conga style percussion. I want to think further on this, but with your bass to listen to as well.


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Re: Collaberation please

Post by twilightsong » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:22 pm

Glynn -- look above -- I posted a link to my version
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Re: Collaberation please

Post by Zenda » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:35 pm

Hi Chris - and thanks for your response :)

Doug ... I like this. That snaredrum has got oodles of personality in all the places that the voice is NOT. It has avoided the pitfalls about which I had bee worried - it is more 'spring' than pop or thwack. I'll confess to a hankering to hearing Tom's new Bass Drum ... but that's not a taste things. Yours is sounding great to my ears. I'm just a bit stoked that his is dang BIG and New :)) I cold see Natty doing well-appreciated live gigs with that band you've created for him.

All the best, both
Glyn :)
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Re: Collaberation please

Post by friedeggstudios » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:07 pm

Hey guy's thanks a lot for the help.

i am mixing both tonight for natty to hear on the weekend.

Doug the first track did not upload correctly to drop box but the rest were fine.

Send me the track you want a vocal on, just give me the tempo and one track with and one track without vox.

i will get vicky on the case.

Thanks again guys

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