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Time Stamp Audio files

Post by tlockett » Thu May 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Hello,I'm new to Cubase 8,I use Protools HD 11 and DP 8, and both of these programs can time stamp the audio file with the TC,you can even reveal the number in the file,I can't find a way to do this in Cubase,
Also is there a way to "Spot to time code " feature in Cubase? When I try importing audio files from ProTools, and DP I can't find a way.
I've tried the "Move" to origin" but it's very unreliable and again I want so be able to view the original user time stamp.
I do a lot of Music for film and TV,and this is must have for transferring back and forth between various projects, editors,and other composer's on different platforms
I'm digging some of the features of Cubase,but this is a real road block.

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Post by Rudi007 » Fri May 08, 2015 8:32 pm

Try using broadcast wav files instead of normal wav files. They support time codes
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Post by tlockett » Fri May 08, 2015 10:49 pm

Will try that ,but the problem is bring files into Cubase,that can be read by other programs,PT, DP. Logic etc all can spot the wave files to TC

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Post by Grim » Sat May 09, 2015 3:18 pm

Not at my DAW to check exactly but I think you do this by importing to pool and then from the pool select the file and "insert at origin" or something like that.
If you search the manual for origin I'm sure you'd find it.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by tlockett » Tue May 12, 2015 11:20 pm

Why,doesn't Cubase show the Time code? it shows the time stamp as samples,in the Origin column of the pool.
This is basically useless info,unless you have a samples to timecode converter.
The real world use is we need to see the time stamp as SEMPTE time code,in the origin column of the pool window.
Why would Cubase not be able to show this,or am I missing something?
thanks for your help.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:07 pm

Hey Tommy,
Sorry, this isn't a solution reply. Just wanted to chime in here saying I am a DP user of 15yrs and have just switched over to Cubase Pro 8 this month, prior to DP9 release. I've been trying the trial and love it until I ran into the issue of recorded audio not having embedded timestamps AND Cubase's inability to export mov/video files straight from the project. These two features are ESSENTIAL to film/tv composers especially the timestamps, for when stems are sent to the stage or music editor. Two things DP did from pretty much version 2. I have not found any info saying Cubase can embed smpte in audio files, I've found quite the opposite. Same with video export.
Sad really, because how Cubase works with video in a project is like butter compared to DP, and all the other features of Cubase are great...however 2 imperative features to my workflow are missing. I feel your pain.
Even after working with Cubase for the free trial and then BUYING it, I think i may go back to DP for the time being. I can't switch DAWs in hopes that one day the new one will implement features I've been accustomed to for 15yrs.

Again, sorry this isnt a solution reply.
Just wanted to reply saying you're not the only one.

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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:34 am

Again, not a solution, but a suggestion: as far as I understand it, Nuendo would be the tool of choice here -- perhaps you might ask in the Nuendo forum? Cubase is generally understood as a music production application, with basic video capability added almost as an afterthought, whereas Nuendo is the flagship post tool.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:11 pm

it'd be great if this can be moved to Features & Requests.

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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:37 pm

But what feature exactly is being requested? Have people attempted to use broadcast wave format (BWF) files and found the handling of them in Cubase to be absent/faulty/in need of improvement?
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:41 pm

Broadcast wave doesnt retain SMPTE Time Code. no audio files to my knowledge retain the TC stamp at all.

So the ability for audio files RECORDED into Cubase, retain the TC at which they were recorded.

So, when they are imported into PT or other DAWS/software, the embedded timecode can be referenced or 'snapped to'
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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:54 pm

As well as the absolute date and time that the recording was started at, BWF does accommodate a time reference -- the number of samples since midnight, so it is possible to calculate the exact time of any point in the file with sample accuracy (i.e. far more precise than SMPTE time code). The problem is that Cubase doesn't embed any useful value for that time reference into files recorded within Cubase itself.
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Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:00 pm

That may be a work around for some, but unfortunately that is not the type of time reference needed in post. We're talking hours: min: sec: frames.
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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:02 pm

tlockett wrote:it shows the time stamp as samples,in the Origin column of the pool.
Switch the time display to timecode before opening the pool.
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Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:04 pm

yeah but even with that, when i send stems to post whether it be my music editor or the stage...the wave files need to have them embedded so they can just check off "snap to original time stamp", or whatever the option is, in other DAWs. And then a cue sheet is used as backup reference.
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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:10 pm

KevinRiepl wrote:That may be a work around for some, but unfortunately that is not the type of time reference needed in post. We're talking hours: min: sec: frames.
That's only a display thing -- any application that can import BWF can display it in timecode, in Cubase for example you can set the format in Project Setup, as well as frame rate and display offset.

I think we're getting two things confused here -- the OP is talking about difficulties importing audio files, whereas your issue appears to be transferring (i.e. exporting) audio to other applications. If you export your file via the Audio Mixdown function in the File menu, and insert the BWF chunk, you can make settings as desired.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:27 pm

oh my, i feel like a fool.
I've been testing exporting files without the 'Insert Broadcast Wave Chunk' checked.
My projects have been set to 'broadcast wave', I just assumed it would export the wave, as is. I didn't know i needed to actually check it off. =(.

ugh. well this back and forth helped me figure THAT out. so...thank you =)
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Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:28 pm

Apologies, I've only been using Cubase for about 4wks, and as much as I've think I've learned and know my way around....I still have lots more to figure out.
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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:39 pm

No need to apologise, we've all been there! To say this process is non-intuitive would be the understatement of the year. Glad to have helped!
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Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:41 pm

thanks....now if Steinberg can just incorporate video export, I'd be one happy puppy. but thats a whole other post. =)
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Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:57 pm

KevinRiepl wrote:if Steinberg can just incorporate video export, I'd be one happy puppy
Yes, at the risk of going off-topic, but why would you want to export video from Cubase, when it can neither generate nor edit video? The video capabilities are merely so you can display a video in sync while composing/comping.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:01 pm

other DAWs do it, Logic, DP...
When writing cues in DP, I would always export the cue with video. (DP is able to export movie files) This would allow me to mix my music and clients 'sound/dialogue' with my cue to be sent off for approval. Clients can watch the scene anywhere to be able to make notes and then get back to me.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:14 pm

Check out "Replacing the Audio in a Video File" in the manual.
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:17 pm

I have tried that. However, that replaces the audio from the very start of the video file. if I am in the middle of a REEL, say 1hr into a film and i only need to submit one scene, I need to be able to export only that scene...not the entire 20min reel. make sense?
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:23 pm

Yep, makes sense! That probably does warrant a feature request -- "Export video between locators with replaced audio", or something like that?
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Re: Time Stamp Audio files

Post by KevinRiepl » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:25 pm

that's a good way to word it!! =). THANKS. I'm going to go put that as a new post and explain the reasons why it should be a feature.

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