[solved] 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

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[solved] 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:10 pm

Audio is playing fine in new, blank projects in 8.0.20, but not for 8.0.10 projects.

I can see the meters pumping and that the Stereo Out bus is connected. Everything is fine in Device Setup -> VST Audio System; device is selected, not being "released" in background, I've "reset" the device inputs/output, etc.

VST Connections all look fine; Outputs are correctly assigned.

I've trashed prefs and allowed them to rebuild, then copied over things I didn't want to lose; key commands, etc.

Everything is fine and unchanged in my Focusrite audio driver mixer thing, so it's not that.

Proof that it's configured correctly and working end-to-end, is that if I create a new blank project and assign a basic instance of Retrologue to Stereo Out, I can hear the sound. If I do this same thing in my 8.0.10 project, no sound.

I was able to get sound in my 8.0.10 project once, by creating the new blank project and then switching back to the project. Somehow the sound working "stuck" for that session. It even worked after closing Cubase and relaunching (and had me feeling victorious), but since a reboot it no longer works.

If I have to recreate this massive project from scratch, I may just switch to Studio One V3, pack my beloved CMC CH, AI and TP controllers carefully in storage and pour a single malt tonight. :cry: #firstworldproblems

Cubase has been fiercely fighting me every step of the way, ever since the 8.0.5 release. I feel like I've completely lost all musical inspiration.

Any ideas to try would be hugely appreciated.

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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by the bearpond » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:29 pm

I have exactly the same problem.
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Post by islandmusicpro » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:51 pm

This sucks. One thing: you both are on Win 7, is there anyone out there on win 8 with the same issues?
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:52 pm

the bearpond wrote:I have exactly the same problem.
Thanks, Bearpond.

Troubling, but I feel less crazy now.

I'll keep you posted.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by karlito » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:56 pm

the bearpond wrote:I have exactly the same problem.
Sorry to hear this guys.

Wow, it seems this is the third update I will be skipping.

It seems Steinberg created a beast they can't control anymore. Too random and too often and too much.
I know it's the nature of the beast, potentially every new feature or bug fix can trigger a new issue, but in Cubases case every new feature/bugfix causes 10 new issues. Every time.

Just look at the "what's new in Cubase" list and compare it with the collected/resolved issues lists.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:36 pm

karlito wrote:
the bearpond wrote:I have exactly the same problem.
Sorry to hear this guys.

Wow, it seems this is the third update I will be skipping.

It seems Steinberg created a beast they can't control anymore. Too random and too often and too much.
I know it's the nature of the beast, potentially every new feature or bug fix can trigger a new issue, but in Cubases case every new feature/bugfix causes 10 new issues. Every time.

Just look at the "what's new in Cubase" list and compare it with the collected/resolved issues lists.
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Thanks for the consoling.

You probably won't be affected. By the small number of responses, it doesn't seem widespread.

Just do a bootable Image Backup before doing it (which I always do).

I'm thinking about reverting, but will see if I can get it working, first.

Or, I may throw in the towel and recreate the project in Studio One V3 (I did get it). I just really, really don't wanna lose the use of my CMC CH, AI and TP controllers. I'm starting to realize I like them more than Cubase, itself. :lol:
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by the bearpond » Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:29 am

I can add that open a project from Cubase 6.5.3. works.
But for a 8.0.10 project it seems you have to redo from zero.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by peakae » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:14 am

I have seen some are reporting the same behavior in other threads. Try opening a new project that has sound, and one that does not, and switch between them. Have them both in Cubase, don't close them, just switch active project a few times. That seems to help a few of the folks having the same problem. If it works remember to save the project that had the problem.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by planarchist » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:49 pm

Not an ideal solution since obviously old projects should still work but have you tried copying and pasting everything from the 8.0.10 version across into a new blank project created in 8.0.20? Depends on your mix of tracks and inserts as to how much re-creating you'd still need to do....
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by J-S-Q » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:21 pm

Jalcide wrote:If I have to recreate this massive project from scratch, I may just switch to Studio One V3, pack my beloved CMC CH, AI and TP controllers carefully in storage and pour a single malt tonight. :cry: #firstworldproblems
Wouldn't it be slightly easier to just roll back to 8.0.10 and keep the CMC's? :)

I'm actually having a somewhat similar issue. May be entirely unrelated but I'm having the 8.0.10 session that I'm currently working on drop the audio output after it's been open a while (maybe 10-20 mins). Seems to be related to plugins on the Stereo Out. When I remove the plugins, the sound returns. Do you have any plugins on the Stereo Out and if so, have you tried removing them?
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Viken-B » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:21 pm

I am having the same problem with 8.0.10,. I have a really big template and have a pair of group tracks labeled "orchestra out" and "non orchestra out". I have a Valhalla vintage verb and a TDR buss compressor on it, at first I thought the reverb was the culprit because it would work when I bypassed it but it eventually came back till and had to bypass all the plugins on the track. The wierd thing is that if I wait a little while and do nothing I will get a pop through my speakers and the sound comes back.

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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:29 am

peakae wrote:I have seen some are reporting the same behavior in other threads. Try opening a new project that has sound, and one that does not, and switch between them. Have them both in Cubase, don't close them, just switch active project a few times. That seems to help a few of the folks having the same problem. If it works remember to save the project that had the problem.
Thanks, Peakae.

Yeah, I've done this (and was first to report this workaround, actually). It sometimes works (not always). When it does work, if you save it, it doesn't stick with the save, unfortunately.

The one time it did, it was because of another bug, I think, that the Cubase.exe stayed open and wouldn't quit on exit! :lol:

This "stuck state" was probably the reason the ASIO drivers stayed on and worked on the second relaunch.

It's just layers of bad.

Also, the project is large enough that "switching" to a blank project is really painful. Cubase doesn't "switch," so much as it completely "reloads."

Terrible multi-project implementation, it is.

I'm hanging on by a thread to Cubase, because of these gorgeous CMC controllers (that don't work properly in anything else, even with HUD emulation).

And, because I've been using Cubase since the 90s. But, I still have zero sound in Cubase as of Sunday night. :roll:
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:33 am

planarchist wrote:Not an ideal solution since obviously old projects should still work but have you tried copying and pasting everything from the 8.0.10 version across into a new blank project created in 8.0.20? Depends on your mix of tracks and inserts as to how much re-creating you'd still need to do....
Thanks, Planarchist. Yeah, I may decide to do this. It's a really large project.

Honestly, I may redirect my "start from scratch" efforts to Studio One, before Cubase, at this point. :roll:
J-S-Q wrote: Wouldn't it be slightly easier to just roll back to 8.0.10 and keep the CMC's? :)

I'm actually having a somewhat similar issue. May be entirely unrelated but I'm having the 8.0.10 session that I'm currently working on drop the audio output after it's been open a while (maybe 10-20 mins). Seems to be related to plugins on the Stereo Out. When I remove the plugins, the sound returns. Do you have any plugins on the Stereo Out and if so, have you tried removing them?
Thanks, J-S-Q.

Yeah, I've already updated enough stuff since my backup image I don't want to rollback. Stupid me. I think the only way out is through.

I just tested removing all the plugins on my Stereo Out -- no joy, still no sound.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:51 am

I don't think I'm going to bother with Steinberg support on this one. Even if I got through to support, it would likely go down like this:

Support: "Create a blank project in Cubase 8.0.20. Does it produce sound?"

Me: "Yes."

Support: "Excellent. I'll be closing your ticket and sending you an email of the recap. Goodbye."

:lol:

I know I can recreate this large project in 8.0.20 and the issues will likely self-resolve.

But for me, I think I'll be switching to another DAW on principle. it's the fact that I HAD created a project. Something in 8.0.20 broke it.

I can't be recreating projects all the time. I've lost confidence in Cubase, honestly.

At what point is the right time to give up? I'm thinking it's now, when I have to recreate this large project.

Decision time...
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:58 am

Viken-B wrote:I am having the same problem with 8.0.10,. I have a really big template and have a pair of group tracks labeled "orchestra out" and "non orchestra out". I have a Valhalla vintage verb and a TDR buss compressor on it, at first I thought the reverb was the culprit because it would work when I bypassed it but it eventually came back till and had to bypass all the plugins on the track. The wierd thing is that if I wait a little while and do nothing I will get a pop through my speakers and the sound comes back.
Interesting. When it wasn't working were you seeing meter activity on the final output channel? If so, then it may be similar to my issue.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by peakae » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:36 am

I have not run into this issue myself, yet. But thanks for reporting it, I will have to go through all my old projects, to make sure that I'm not in for a surprise later on. I had a issue before with Direct Monitoring, that muted some tracks on certain projects, I know the feeling of slight panic :-) good luck
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Viken-B » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:09 am

Jalcide wrote:
Viken-B wrote:I am having the same problem with 8.0.10,. I have a really big template and have a pair of group tracks labeled "orchestra out" and "non orchestra out". I have a Valhalla vintage verb and a TDR buss compressor on it, at first I thought the reverb was the culprit because it would work when I bypassed it but it eventually came back till and had to bypass all the plugins on the track. The wierd thing is that if I wait a little while and do nothing I will get a pop through my speakers and the sound comes back.
Interesting. When it wasn't working were you seeing meter activity on the final output channel? If so, then it may be similar to my issue.
The meter wasn't moving on the output but all the group tracks an individual tracks had meter activity but no sound.

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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by jimmys69 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:26 am

Late to the thread, but have you tried updating your hardware? Firmware, BIOS chipset drivers, any applicable drivers for interface?

It could just be a little thing that is causing your issues.

Sorry if you have done this, but it has happened to me. Not always just a simple Device Manager uptate. Going to the manufacturer site for your MOBO or interface can have updates that Windows does not have a clue about.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:12 am

jimmys69 wrote:Late to the thread, but have you tried updating your hardware? Firmware, BIOS chipset drivers, any applicable drivers for interface?

It could just be a little thing that is causing your issues.

Sorry if you have done this, but it has happened to me. Not always just a simple Device Manager uptate. Going to the manufacturer site for your MOBO or interface can have updates that Windows does not have a clue about.
Thanks. Yes, have done. Also, it can't be that because if I create a blank project in 8.0.20, problem goes away and I can hear sound. It's only when opening existing .10 projects that the sound goes away.
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Viken-B wrote:I am having the same problem with 8.0.10,. I have a really big template and have a pair of group tracks labeled "orchestra out" and "non orchestra out". I have a Valhalla vintage verb and a TDR buss compressor on it, at first I thought the reverb was the culprit because it would work when I bypassed it but it eventually came back till and had to bypass all the plugins on the track. The wierd thing is that if I wait a little while and do nothing I will get a pop through my speakers and the sound comes back.
Interesting. When it wasn't working were you seeing meter activity on the final output channel? If so, then it may be similar to my issue.
The meter wasn't moving on the output but all the group tracks an individual tracks had meter activity but no sound.
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening to me. All the meters moving on all channels except the final one with Stereo Out. Correction: meters are also moving on the final channel, just no sound.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Steve Helstrip » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:33 am

I have this issue from time to time, and for me I can resolve it by switching off the plug-ins on the master out, then back on again. This might not be related of course, but worth trying if it applies.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:04 am

Steve Helstrip wrote:I have this issue from time to time, and for me I can resolve it by switching off the plug-ins on the master out, then back on again. This might not be related of course, but worth trying if it applies.
Thanks so much, Steve (big fan of your music).

I did try that; no joy.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by J-S-Q » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:51 am

Strangely enough, I'm no longer having the problem. It was happening frequently in my current project when I worked on it at the weekend but now seems to have solved itself. I'd re-saved the project a couple of times in 8.0.2 so maybe that somehow cured the issue.
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by Jalcide » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:02 pm

J-S-Q wrote:Strangely enough, I'm no longer having the problem. It was happening frequently in my current project when I worked on it at the weekend but now seems to have solved itself. I'd re-saved the project a couple of times in 8.0.2 so maybe that somehow cured the issue.
Good to hear. I did see that happen twice, but now I can't even get it to produce sound at all.

What's really weird is that I can get it to route audio out my audio interface's ADAT ports to another computer and I can hear the audio there. :lol:

It just won't route to my audio interface's main out, anymore.

But it least it's talking to the audio interface's device driver, etc.

This smacks of a prefs file issue, but I've cleared them many times now. And since blank projects work, whatever is broken in Cubase is via the .10 project file, so it seems not to be prefs related in that way, too.

I don't think a reinstall would help, because blank projects work, but I may try that as a last resort.

If not, I will rollback to .10 so that I have access to previous projects, and then start my migration to Studio One; at least as a "plan b."
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by shagazulu » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:03 pm

What if you save it as a new version or as a backup such that you're creating a whole new file... close and reopen? A shot in the dark
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Re: 8.0.20: Meters, but no Sound in .10 Projects

Post by the bearpond » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:19 pm

an update,

It seems like if I open my project via the - Menu bar – File – Open – and navigate to the Folder and open it, most often there is no sound, but the meters are pumping, even Stereo Out. (I get the same result if I go direct to the folder and double click on the file.)

If I then close the project and go to the Steinberg Hub and open the same project, there is sound.

Even if I now save the project, there is no sound, (but pumping meters,) if I try to open it again via - Menu bar – File – Open.

So most of the times, (not always) if I use the Steinberg Hub to open my project I get sound.
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